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   Mike Fraser :Jets: (mike@thecanadian.social)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 23:29:18 JST Mike Fraser :Jets:

   • Thomas 🔭🕹️

   @thomasfuchs What's the split between power generation and trucking?

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     Mike Fraser :Jets: (mike@thecanadian.social)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 23:51:56 JST Mike Fraser :Jets:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Without doing any research I see power generation as the lower hanging fruit here. I Beleive the trucking industry really wants to shift to a zero emissions infrastructure on its own (cost of fuel is a huge input for them) but there are a lot of practical deal breakers right now. The first being supply of heavy electric vehicles and battery maintenance.

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     matdevdug (matdevdug@c.im)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 23:52:54 JST matdevdug

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs This but also I’m surprised right wing parties don’t love it for energy independence. “We won’t rely on the Middle East for power.” It also allows for the transfer of a lot of capital that currently leaves the country to stay.

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     ficate (fic8@malware.social)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:10:16 JST ficate

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs politically it will never happen, plus batteries are heavy there's a reason why there are no electric trucks

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     ducksauz 🦆 (ducksauz@snug.town)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:28:39 JST ducksauz 🦆

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     • Martijn Frazer

     @Tijn @thomasfuchs

     > Who doesn’t want to spend less on energy?

     The Koch’s, Shell, BP, Exxon-Mobil, etc want us to keep spending more on energy and they’ve all got the politicians in their pockets.

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     Martijn Frazer (tijn@dosgame.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:28:40 JST Martijn Frazer

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs I've never understood why this angle isn't more popular. A big market shift like this poses huge economic opportunities.

     But also: who doesn't want to spend less on energy? Since when is saving costs a bad thing?

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     Bodo (bodo@notes.tasche.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:45:03 JST Bodo

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs I would vote for more train infrastructure and use trucks only on the last mile. The emphasis on trucking stuff through a continent just because is kinda wild to me.

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     doodlemania (derek@toot.thedoodleproject.net)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:48:41 JST doodlemania

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs easier than that I think - finance it by ending fossil fuel subsidies

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     Mike Fraser :Jets: (mike@thecanadian.social)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:57:26 JST Mike Fraser :Jets:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs You could do that, but I simply don't think there's enough zero emissions heavy truck manufacturing capacity available at this time to meet that kind of forklift style approach. You'd need to start at with manufacturers, maybe mandating a certain amount of capacity be dedicated to zero emissions. You can't force a trucking company to buy a truck that's not available. Also if you don't address the power grid you're just shifting emissions elsewhere.

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     Mike Fraser :Jets: (mike@thecanadian.social)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 01:09:59 JST Mike Fraser :Jets:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs I don't think I said it was impossible, actually I believe it's very possible. I'm just pointing out the challenges. It's easy to throw out blanket solutions, it's harder to speak to how it's actually going to get done. Until you start discussions around the challenges it's navel gazing.

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     Mike Fraser :Jets: (mike@thecanadian.social)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 01:19:17 JST Mike Fraser :Jets:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs I somewhat agree but I also think it's a deferment of the issue to simply say it's societal. I myself am now going to bring up the issue with my transport clients and see what they're doing to move in this direction. I'm also going to try and get a sense of what the actual challenges are and focus on that when advocating for change. It's time for real world action. I do however thank you for bringing to light the macro issue, it was helpful.