Garrett LeSage
I want to like Matrix / Element, but Element might be the worst piece of software I've ever used.
Nearly every day, it either hangs indefinitely or forgets my login info, or some other bug (with most being showstoppers).
The UI is confusing and I have a thousand rooms that I can't get rid of that clutter everything (as I've attended conferences from the past few years in it).
When it works, it's nice and all... but it rarely ever works.
I really *want to* like it. 😕
MattJ
@muelli
I'm curious on what you base this, as the #XMPP community is actually very active in both standards and software development 🙂
You can get an idea of some of the activity at https://xmpp.org/categories/newsletter/
If you have any questions about the world of XMPP, I'm happy to answer them!
@KekunPlazas @garrett
muelli
@KekunPlazas @garrett
well, theoretically, there is #XMPP, but I think the community has long lost interest in developing the standard, clients, and servers :(
Oh, and there is email, of course. With #deltachat providing a "chatty" UI on top of the email transport.
Adrien Plazas
@garrett Sadly I have the same experience, lots of friends are switching away to Signal or Discord simple because of the infamous indecipherable messages issue that lasts since last Autumn. If you ever hear about a properly encrypted, open and free, trustable, monolithic, decentralized, federated IM with a decent UX please let me know.
pettter
@mattj @Revertron @muelli @KekunPlazas @garrett I remember Swift (https://swift.im) being a quite nice client as well
MattJ
@Revertron
Dino, Gajim and Beagle are all desktop XMPP clients used daily by many people.
Of course "decent" is not something you can measure objectively - everyone has their own requirements and preferences in practice. Just as some people don't consider Element or DeltaChat "decent".
But that's why interoperable open ecosystems are essential: people can choose software that works for them without sacrificing the ability to communicate with their contacts.
@muelli @KekunPlazas @garrett
⚛️Revertron :straight:
@mattj But where is at least one decent XMPP client for desktop?
pettter
@Revertron OK, so for reference, what's a chat client UI that you think is good? @mattj @muelli @KekunPlazas @garrett
⚛️Revertron :straight:
@mattj
Almost same sh*t, but "more space". More wasted pixels.
MattJ
@Revertron
Here is a screenshot of Gajim from the early 2000s (it didn't exist in the 1990s, but maybe they inspired it) and a screenshot of a recent release for comparison.
@pettter @muelli @KekunPlazas @garrett
⚛️Revertron :straight:
@mattj
They look like they've made by some student in 90s.
I bet the UX is also bad. No autofocus when needed and such kind of stuff.
MattJ
⚛️Revertron :straight:
@pettter @mattj @muelli @KekunPlazas @garrett
Took a glimpse of their screenshots, and my reaction is 🤮 to all of them.
pettter
@Revertron ...every other UI is bad except for the specifically tuned version of an app that hasn't had a website update since 2015? @mdosch @mattj @muelli @KekunPlazas @garrett
⚛️Revertron :straight:
@mdosch @mattj @pettter @muelli @KekunPlazas @garrett
I don't know if I'll be able to find my old Miranda with carefully selected and tuned skins, smiles and plugins :(
Martin
@Revertron
Could you provide screenshots of a chat UI you like? I'm really curious what it looks like.
@mattj @pettter @muelli @KekunPlazas @garrett
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