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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 09:35:18 JST 
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https://icemsg.org/sequelae/cardiovascular/
https://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases/severe-covid-19-linked-with-16-fold-risk-of-life-threatening-heart-rhythm-within
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/04/21/13/08/intermediate-and-long-term-impact-of-covid-19-on-cardiovascular-disease
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.28187
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scitranslmed.abf7872
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 09:35:17 JST 
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When was the last time you touched grass Jeff? Also pls don’t tag me with PPN retards. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 10:23:09 JST
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Hard to say given that they didn’t account for vaccination status. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 10:23:10 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
> Also pls don’t tag me with PPN retards.
do you agree that covid causes damage to the heart? -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 10:33:58 JST
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Well I didn’t really look at the 5 different studies you linked, in the future try linking one and making a point so it can actually be addressed. Also, it’s likely they were hyper focused on COVID infections as a marker and were misattributing it to that. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 10:33:59 JST
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in march 2021? yeah i can imagine -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:17 JST 
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:18 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
> I forgot where I saw it, but the news said that something like only 30% of people (in the US) got vaccinated.
This is almost certainly 'fully vaccinated'. The number of vaccinated americans is closer to 80% https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/ .
> As for the second point, most people I've heard who got covid describe it as similar to a flu
The people who got HIV said the same thing.
At first.
>, sometimes with an aweful headache and extreme lethargy for about 2 days.
And permanent heart damage later. See above thread.
> This whole thing about damaging multiple organs and passing the blood brain barrier is all true of the vaccine, not necessarily covid itself.
Yes covid itself. And sure, that probably happens too with the vaccine, to a lesser extent. The spike proteins alone, though they definitely do bad things to wherever in the body they manage to be, don't do as much as the virus itself. At least in the case of the vax, the dose is controlled.
> covid is very similar to a flu in how it travels through the body.
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:18 JST 
EightEight
Many typical viruses have spike proteins, that's how they're able to infect us in the first place. But with the vaccine, there were multiple instances of people on live tv experiencing "cytokine storms" from the intense immune response that the vaccine gave. Some people literally fell over and passed out within seconds. This is the kind of stuff that causes heart and other organ damage.
I'm not sure if you saw this, but autopsies were done on multiple people who died (all had gotten the vaccine), and in all of them, they found long stringy alien fibrous tissue in their hearts and other parts of their body. This was never a thing before covid; the medical examiners never saw this before in their careers, and this was not found in bodies that never got the vaccine.
> It's more similar to Dengue fever and HIV.
This website says that covid and the flu are basically the same in every way, with minor differences like an extra 1-2 days of having the virus before showing symptoms, and covid spreading faster than the flu:
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:19 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
> no, actually the majority of people didn't get vaccinated.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html although it's a paywall, does show the graph we want. Which shows clearly -- most people have been vaccinated.
In my country it's higher.
( Granted that's 'vaccinated at all' and protection from one dose isn't going to get you far in 2023. )
> vaccinated, so then I'm not sure why you're so adamant that "long covid" isn't just the effects of the vaccine.
It's a virus that damages multiple organs of the body, across a variety of different levels, and which passes through the blood brain barrier. Of course there's going to be a correlation -- if for no reason people saw people sick with covid and decided to get vaccinated in waves that shadowed the waves of covid itself, along with the first big wave coming around the time vaccines were first made available (since, because in part due to the availability of vaccines, public health officials and governments relaxed public health protections and in some cases, got rid of them entirely) - plenty of space for correlation there. -
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:19 JST
EightEight
I forgot where I saw it, but the news said that something like only 30% of people (in the US) got vaccinated. They were talking about it like it's a bad thing; like "we've done so much to try and convince the public but only 30% of them have gotten vaccinated". The numbers were wildly dishonest throughout the entire thing so I wouldn't be surprised if the 70% number is also a lie. But regardless, this was a side issue.
As for the second point, most people I've heard who got covid describe it as similar to a flu, sometimes with an aweful headache and extreme lethargy for about 2 days. This whole thing about damaging multiple organs and passing the blood brain barrier is all true of the vaccine, not necessarily covid itself. covid is very similar to a flu in how it travels through the body. -
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:20 JST
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no, actually the majority of people didn't get vaccinated. so you're saying that you do believe most ppl suffering from "long covid" are vaccinated, so then I'm not sure why you're so adamant that "long covid" isn't just the effects of the vaccine. you're admitting a strong correlation already. -
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:21 JST
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well i asked if you knew anyone personally because they're obviously a more reliable source. if you just "ran across people" that doesn't give me much confidence in what they say. do you think that the vast majority of people suffering from "long covid" didn't get the vax, or do you think they did? -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:21 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
>. do you think that the vast majority of people suffering from "long covid"
No, because most people got vaccinated, and absent a miracle vaccine preventing most of it, most people who have long covid are going to be vaccinated.
I agree; random hearsay isn't a good source for this. There should be better sources for this. But this thread isn't really a long covid thread, generally -- it's a heart disease thread. -
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:22 JST
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do you know them well enough to believe them when they say they didn't get vaxxed?
wait what? we're literally not in the middle of the pandemic. Biden himself said so. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:22 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
So to be clear you're disputing they exist?
Of course they could be lying. But why would antivaxxers eat crow like that? -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:23 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
I've run across them
the people i know personally are mostly inaccessible BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING PANDEMIC AND I AM NOT OUT AND ABOUT INTERACTING WITH THEM -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:24 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
Incorrect. There are people who have it who were never vaxxed -
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:24 JST
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do you know these people personally or is this from the news or something? -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:25 JST 
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@jeffcliff @faust @1967GTO @FreeinTX @Ghislaine @TrevorGoodchild @jeff @bot @Beomus Yeah I dispute that. It's fucking stupid. Vaccine injuries far outweigh long covid/ covid complications. I'm not downplaying the severity of covid as a disease either. -
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:25 JST
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"long covid" isn't a thing, that's just the effects of the mRNA vaccine -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:26 JST
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@jeffcliff @faust @1967GTO @FreeinTX @Ghislaine @TrevorGoodchild @jeff @bot @Beomus I exclude that. It's fine. Yeah people are dying of it. Every other point was wrong. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:26 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
> and a LOT more with long term injury from covid.
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:27 JST
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@jeffcliff @faust @1967GTO @FreeinTX @Ghislaine @TrevorGoodchild @jeff @bot @Beomus Everything you wrote there is wrong. Do you even keep up to date with clinics or clinicians or just read random research papers? -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:27 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
What would you have me do, exactly?
Which part about it is wrong?
Let's start with
> Neither is people dying of covid.
People are still dying of covid. This shouldn't be even contestable.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-in-ireland-hospitals-face-being-flooded-with-cases-if-mask-rule-is-dropped-r77x72t88
What do you think happens when you flood hospitals with critically ill patients? Covid is one of the largest causes of death in the world, right up there with cancer (which covid causes) and heart disease/stroke (which covid causes) -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:28 JST
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@jeffcliff @Ghislaine @faust @1967GTO @FreeinTX @TrevorGoodchild @jeff @bot @Beomus People are getting vaccine injuries that don't go away. You can treat long covid. You probably can treat the vaccine injury (which is similar to long covid) but we don't know how yet.
There are a LOT of people with long term vaccine injuries from the covid19 vaccinations. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:28 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
> People are getting vaccine injuries that don't go away.
Neither is people dying of covid.
> You can treat long covid.
There is currently no treatment for long covid.
> You probably can treat the vaccine injury (which is similar to long covid) but we don't know how yet.
This isn't even true, depending on the injury.
> There are a LOT of people with long term vaccine injuries from the covid19 vaccinations.
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Ghislaine :dancing_z: (ghislaine@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:29 JST 
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@jeffcliff @faust @1967GTO @FreeinTX @TrevorGoodchild @jeff @bot @Beomus If Covid is real how come I’m not dead yet -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:18:29 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
how many times have you had it? -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:48:59 JST
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I think there may be some ways to attack them under the prep act. There are exceptions for reckless or intentional conduct. Even then, courts are political entities, so any intelligent attorney would wait as long as possible, i.e. statute of limitations, before bringing suit to allow the political winds to change or blow over. Nonetheless, success is highly unlikely. -
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Ricky "Bender" LaFluer :nv: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 16:49:00 JST 
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How dos full immunity sound? What's that, several of your board members are also beauracrats in unelected regulatory positions? No that sounds normal. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:01:46 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
yeah
because they were fucking dying enough to be intubated
Check out the stats for how many people survive CPR. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:01:46 JST
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:01:47 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
> Which was determined to be medically improper for the massive majority of those who were given intubation.
This didn't happen.
> And how many were jabbed?
Some of these are before the jab was available.
> Pfizer says
Doesn't matter what pfizer says. I don't really care.
> How many jabs have you had to date?
I am up to date. -
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FreeinTX (freeintx@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:01:47 JST 
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@jeffcliff @faust @1967GTO @Ghislaine @TrevorGoodchild @jeff @bot @Beomus 60% of patients with covid that were intubated, died.
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FreeinTX (freeintx@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 00:01:48 JST
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@jeffcliff @faust @1967GTO @Ghislaine @TrevorGoodchild @jeff @bot @Beomus "Requiring medical ventilation" - lol
Which was determined to be medically improper for the massive majority of those who were given intubation. What percentage of covid sufferers was that? What were their average age? Medical condition prior to getting covid? And how many were jabbed?
Pfizer says their jab is effective for 3-5 months. How many jabs have you had to date? -
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GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME, WHITOID ?? ? (cumskinfoidpuncher69420@beefyboys.win)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 03:05:11 JST 
GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME, WHITOID ?? ?
COVID is no joke. This is how it kills you.
https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/falling/post/55192/obese-woman-falls-from-high-floorcool_boy_mew likes this. -
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:11:37 JST
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"Cytokine storm is defined as acute overproduction and uncontrolled release of pro-inflammatory markers, both locally and systemically."
- this is literally what vaccines do, they purposefully trigger an immune response (aka they trigger an inflammatory response) in the hopes that the body will quickly act and detect the virus and create antibodies for it. if you're going to tell me that just having covid is somehow more dangerous (and creates larger cytokine storms) than purposefully triggering a huge immune response (and therefore a huge cytokine storm) with a vaccine, then I don't know what to tell you, you're just lost.
Also, as usual, the article you cited does not measure the difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. for all I know, everyone who experienced ARDS or a cytokine storm in that study was already vaccinated.
I posted this elsewhere, but I have many articles I can show that prove the exact opposite of everything you're saying:
A comparison of official Government reports suggest the Fully Vaccinated are developing Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome:
https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/10/comparison-reports-proves-vaccinated-developing-ade/
13000% more likely to die of of covid if you've been vaccinated:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/shocking-uk-government-admits-covid-vaccinated-children-4423-more-likely-die-any-cause-13633-more-likely-die-covid-19-than-unvaccinated-children/5788225
Canadian feds threw away 13.6 million doses of vaccines because no one wanted them around the world - see image
CDC data shows that more people died of covid vaccine than any other vaccine combined in the last 30 years - see image
CDC won't release review of post-vaccination heart inflammation 10.11.22 (obviously because it got worse after vaccination) - see image
eggs now cause blood clots apparently 1.24.23 (they had to start making shit up like this because they didn't want to admit that it was the vaccines causing it) - see image
fact check says covid doesn't cause cancer in 11.21, then global epidemic of cancer in 10.22 - see image
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:11:38 JST
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> I'm not sure if you saw this, but autopsies were done on multiple people who died (all had gotten the vaccine), and in all of them, they found long stringy alien fibrous tissue in their hearts and other parts of their body.
this is caused by covid
> where’s your evidence that covid specifically, and not the vaccine causes this? I told you that they found this on in people who took the vaccine.
> This was never a thing before covid;
you're right, because it was caused by covid
> again, show me your evidence.
> the medical examiners never saw this before in their careers, and this was not found in bodies that never got the vaccine.
that last part isn't true, the first ones were all vaxxed but later they found in the unvaxxed
> show me your evidence.
> "cytokine storms"
...also caused by covid, only more consistently.
> show me your evidence.
> This website says that covid and the flu are basically the same in every way,
Then it's wrong.
> if the CDC is wrong (and I do believe they’re lying pieces of shit) then you have no basis to trust any mainstream source of news and data. In which case, there’s no point in citing any evidence to me, because we both agree it could easily be wrong. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:11:38 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
>>> "cytokine storms"
>> ...also caused by covid, only more consistently.
> show me your evidence.
This one shows me you aren't serious. This has been one of the most obvious, well documented facts of the whole pandemic.
> ARDS is one of the leading causes of death in patients with COVID-19 and is mainly triggered by elevated levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, referred to as cytokine storm. https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-022-01814-1
Here's one that they cite
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32283152/
I will look for the clot thing, but that was widely discussed last year.
> if the CDC is wrong (and I do believe they’re lying pieces of shit) then you have no basis to trust any mainstream source of news
The mainstream news is saying covid is over. Especially in the US(where the CDC is), where I do not live.
> In which case, there’s no point in citing any evidence to me, because we both agree it could easily be wrong.
Some things, sure. Long covid is to a large extent still a mystery. That covid causes blood clots is not controversial, but requires a little bit of digging. Impact on cytokines, is so widely observed you might as well be questioning whether bones can break. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 04:11:39 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
> I'm not sure if you saw this, but autopsies were done on multiple people who died (all had gotten the vaccine), and in all of them, they found long stringy alien fibrous tissue in their hearts and other parts of their body.
this is caused by covid
> This was never a thing before covid;
you're right, because it was caused by covid
> the medical examiners never saw this before in their careers, and this was not found in bodies that never got the vaccine.
that last part isn't true, the first ones were all vaxxed but later they found in the unvaxxed
> "cytokine storms"
...also caused by covid, only more consistently.
> This website says that covid and the flu are basically the same in every way,
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 05:09:38 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
> And stop with the "base level" shit. These are done per capita, per 100,000.
No, they aren't.
> The fact that you can even say this and yet still defend getting the vaccine is literally shocking to me
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> It's clearly not safe and could potentially kill you outright.
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> why the fuck would you promote this vaccine?
WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC WHERE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE DYING AND A BILLIONS ARE AT IMMEDIATE RISK OF GETTING PERMANENT DAMAGE TO THEIR INTERNAL ORGANS. No shit there's going to be 1-in-1000000 or 1-in-100000000 events with a vaccine that's had 10000000000 doses given. The context of that risk must be compared with the much, much higher risk of covid itself and more importantly: the risks going forward, of repeat infection which can be much, much higher than one particular infection.
>a couple people literally fainted on live tv, how many do you think in the real world are fainting or having adverse affects?
TV is fake and is irrelevant.
> if it was truly negligible numbers of people, we wouldn't have seen this on live tv
Sure we would. We have a hyper polarized world full of antivaxxers with video cameras and blogs. We will likely see *every* such case.
> at all; just like with every other vaccine in the past.
No, it wouldn't be.
>> That isn't even true, see above.
>I did see above, and it is true.
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> Right, so your study doesn't prove what you're trying to say it proves.
Yes it does. Cytokine storms were a documented phenomenon that was immediately associated with covid as soon as there was enough cases for doctors to observe what was actually going on in them, long before the vaccines existed. That was what I was trying to say it proved, and that was what was shown.
> I'd like to see you cite 1 study in this thread that shows that covid itself (meaning people who never got the vaccine) developed AIDS.
> how ADE and AIDS differ
> 1) it is and you haven't proved otherwise
> 2) it isn't and you haven't proved otherwise
>, and that natural immunity is something like x20 more effective.
Again: this is not the thread for that, go to the other thread if you want to get into the immune system this thread will get too crazy if we stray too far from heart problems.
> not really, mainstream news is just as BS if not moreso.
Agreed. And it, by and large, agrees with you.
> 3) we've seen tons of evidence and scientists and government officials admitting in the past year that the vaccine doesn't significantly prevent infection or reduce transmission
Then they are wrong. Canada's covid hazard index data shows otherwise. https://covid19resources.ca/covid-hazard-index/
> No this doesn't follow. If you can ignore state agencies and their data,
Since those 'stage agencies' were run under the Trump administration, and GOP has a history of controlling what state agencies say based on the dictates of policy set above i'd say that was valid.
> then you can't trust anyone with their data.
The existence of bad data doesn't make good data not exist.
> Scientists and researchers need funding and financial backing to even have jobs and most of the time that funding comes from multi billion dollar companies, like Pfizer, so there's obviously a conflict of interest there.
Again: this is a blanket statement that isnt' even accurate. In canada many researchers are funded by both the federal and provincial governments and more importantly * the healthcare system * that is arms-reach independent of both corporations and the government.
> Of course the CDC got a lot wrong, they lied about most things, like most studies did; this is equally as true of anything that you cite.
No, it isn't equally true.
> then you're out of your mind if you think that other countries and agencies aren't doing the same.
Some are, some aren't. America is uniquely a dishonest culture
> I already addressed this, that study doesn't tell me whether those
people were vaccinated or not
In mid 2020, before the vaccines existed.
>. you already admitted that this study does not address this.
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@jeffcliff @EightEight @faust @1967GTO @CatLord @FreeinTX @Ghislaine @TrevorGoodchild @jeff @bot @Beomus bro, we literally know that people involved in the US gov hid a bunch of facts and were paid actors pushing for the vaccine, this makes all data rather dubious
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 05:09:39 JST
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> This part might actually be true. But it's, on aggregate, at a safe level.
Wrong, it's x100 more dangerous than previous vaccines. And stop with the "base level" shit. These are done per capita, per 100,000. Adding a couple more hundred thousands does not change the percentage.
> VERY few. And of those who did, most were revivable.
The fact that you can even say this and yet still defend getting the vaccine is literally shocking to me. But I'll entertain you for a second on this. If a couple people literally fainted on live tv, how many do you think in the real world are fainting or having adverse affects? if it was truly negligible numbers of people, we wouldn't have seen this on live tv at all; just like with every other vaccine in the past. "most were reviavble"...wtf? Again, if this is happening on live tv, and some people are not even revivable, why the fuck would you promote this vaccine? It's clearly not safe and could potentially kill you outright.
> No they don't.
yea they do
> Yeah, in mid-2020, the article it cited didn't account for that. You're right: before vaccines were rolled out, the researchers were sloppy and didn't think to run a statistical test about vaccines that weren't out yet.
Right, so your study doesn't prove what you're trying to say it proves. And, unless I'm mistaken, this article is from 2022: https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-022-01814-1
> That isn't even true, see above.
I did see above, and it is true.
> Not in this thread, you'll have to go back a couple of threads for that one. This thread was specifically about heart problems.
I'd like to see you cite 1 study in this thread that shows that covid itself (meaning people who never got the vaccine) developed AIDS.
> Mercola is BS. ADE and AIDS
not really, mainstream news is just as BS if not moreso. I'm not really sure how ADE and AIDS differ, but regardless, if the vaccine is causing this stuff, then this is a huge problem and I can't believe more people aren't doing memes about this.
> That might be so, but
> 1) it isn't
> 2) and COVID IS
> 3) and it reduces impact of covid on the immune system, and helps to prevent infection and transmission,which means
> 4) it will be a core part of efforts to eradicate covid
1) it is and you haven't proved otherwise
2) it isn't and you haven't proved otherwise
3) we've seen tons of evidence and scientists and government officials admitting in the past year that the vaccine doesn't significantly prevent infection or reduce transmission, and that natural immunity is something like x20 more effective.
> That doesn't follow. This is like saying 'if you don't believe donald trump i don't have to believe anything you say'. CDC have gotten A LOT wrong in this pandemic.
No this doesn't follow. If you can ignore state agencies and their data, then I see no reason why I shouldn't ignore anything you say. If you can't trust countries with their data (and some are obviously shit, like China), then you can't trust anyone with their data. Scientists and researchers need funding and financial backing to even have jobs, and most of the time that funding comes from multi billion dollar companies, like Pfizer, so there's obviously a conflict of interest there. Of course the CDC got a lot wrong, they lied about most things, like most studies did; this is equally as true of anything that you cite. If the CDC, one of the largest health agencies in the world, can blatantly lie about data, then you're out of your mind if you think that other countries and agencies aren't doing the same.
> Sure it does. Cytokine storms are clearly documented in the one.
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EightEight (eighteight@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Aug-2023 05:09:40 JST
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> No. It's done in a controlled manner, the dose is controlled.
Not really, vaccines are not made per individual, they're made on a mass scale, so it's impossible to control a safe level of inflammatory response for each individual, which is why adverse affects exist, and why some people literally passed out live on tv within seconds of receiving the vaccine.
> Yes I am. This isn't a controversial statement. It is *significantly* more dangerous. Covid attacks most organs in the body *and* also attacks the immune system itself. This makes it extremely dangerous, just like HIV is.
Articles and images I've posted directly contradict this.
> That wasn't the issue. The issue was whether or not cytokine storms happen with infection, which it does. As far as cytokine storms in vaxxed vs. unvaxxed that's been looked into too at length. But at first you have to at least come to terms with that cytokine storms happen with infection.
If the article doesn't mention whether those individuals had been vaccinated, then for all I know the cytokine storms are happening because of previous or ongoing vaccinations, that's why I said I need to see a comparison of vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
> That would be an assumption that would not be warranted, generally.
Regardless, that's an assumption I can make because your study doesn't account for that.
> There is no 'proving the opposite' of that covid infection causes cytokine storms. There isn't going to any legitimate paper saying that.
Well you haven't proved otherwise. Like I said, the only thing you cited does not tell me if those people were already vaccinated, which could be the cause of the cytokine storms.
> 1) Covid causes immunodeficiency.
> 2) this is a red herring anyway.
> 3) you keep citing 'the expose'. Is that grifter where you get all your info from?
You haven't proved that covid causes "Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome". This and "immunodeficiency" are very different. This article/image says that the fully vaccinated are literally developing AIDS. It's completely relevant and not a red herring at all. If the vaccine is literally giving people AIDS, then people need to stop taking it / never take it immediately. Also, I'm not sure what 'the expose' is.
> as for the rest of your replies to the images...
Again you just ignore the CDC data, which means I can ignore any data you provide.
> I link to hundreds of papers in my pinned toots. You should actually go read some of them.
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> Not really, vaccines are not made per individual, they're made on a mass scale, so it's impossible to control a safe level of inflammatory response for each individual, which is why adverse affects exist,
This part might actually be true. But it's, on aggregate, at a safe level.
> and why some people literally passed out live on tv within seconds of receiving the vaccine.
VERY few. And of those who did, most were revivable.
> Articles and images I've posted directly contradict this.
No they don't.
> Regardless, that's an assumption I can make because your study doesn't account for that.
Yeah, in mid-2020, the article it cited didn't account for that. You're right: before vaccines were rolled out, the researchers were sloppy and didn't think to run a statistical test about vaccines that weren't out yet.
> Well you haven't proved otherwise. Like I said, the only thing you cited does not tell me if those people were already vaccinated, which could be the cause of the cytokine storms.
That isn't even true, see above.
> You haven't proved that covid causes "Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome".
Not in this thread, you'll have to go back a couple of threads for that one. This thread was specifically about heart problems.
> This and "immunodeficiency" are very different. This article/image says that the fully vaccinated are literally developing AIDS
Again: Mercola is BS. ADE and AIDS
> It's completely relevant and not a red herring at all. If the vaccine is literally giving people AIDS, then people need to stop taking it
never take it immediately.
That might be so, but
1) it isn't
2) and COVID IS
3) and it reduces impact of covid on the immune system, and helps to prevent infection and transmission,which means
4) it will be a core part of efforts to eradicate covid
> Again you just ignore the CDC data, which means I can ignore any data you provide.
That doesn't follow. This is like saying 'if you don't believe donald trump i don't have to believe anything you say'. CDC have gotten A LOT wrong in this pandemic.
> I've been reading the stuff that you've been linking in this conversation, and none of it is convincing or proves what you're saying.
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>> "Cytokine storm is defined as acute overproduction and uncontrolled release of pro-inflammatory markers, both locally and systemically."
> this is literally what vaccines do,
No. It's done in a controlled manner, the dose is controlled.
> they purposefully trigger an immune response (aka they trigger an inflammatory response) in the hopes that the body will quickly act and detect the virus and create antibodies for it
Sure. In a manner that doesn't involve subjecting the immune system to a virus that specifically attacks T and B cells.
> if you're going to tell me that just having covid is somehow more dangerous (and creates larger cytokine storms)
Yes I am. This isn't a controversial statement. It is *significantly* more dangerous. Covid attacks most organs in the body *and* also attacks the immune system itself. This makes it extremely dangerous, just like HIV is.
> Also, as usual, the article you cited does not measure the difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
That wasn't the issue. The issue was whether or not cytokine storms happen with infection, which it does. As far as cytokine storms in vaxxed vs. unvaxxed that's been looked into too at length. But at first you have to at least come to terms with that cytokine storms happen with infection.
> for all I know, everyone who experienced ARDS or a cytokine storm in that study was already vaccinated.
That would be an assumption that would not be warranted, generally.
> I posted this elsewhere, but I have many articles I can show that prove the exact opposite of everything you're saying:
There is no 'proving the opposite' of that covid infection causes cytokine storms. There isn't going to any legitimate paper saying that.
> A comparison of official Government reports suggest the Fully Vaccinated are developing Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome:
1) Covid causes immunodeficiency.
2) this is a red herring anyway.
3) you keep citing 'the expose'. Is that grifter where you get all your info from?
> 13000% more likely to die of of covid if you've been vaccinated:
You already linked that.
> Canadian feds threw away 13.6 million doses of vaccines because no one wanted them around the world - see image
That was a massive political clusterfuck and has little to do with anything other than the disconnect between federal bureaucrats who understood the risk involved with covid, but didn't communicate with the citizens of canada effectively, and more importantly: underestimated the impact of antivaxxer influencers on negatively impacting public health campaigns in canada. Along with some logistical wtfery.
> CDC data shows that more people died of covid vaccine than any other vaccine combined in the last 30 years
This sort of thing really suggests to me that you really don't understand how base rates work. What other vaccine in the past 30 years has had anywhere near the amount of doses administered?
> CDC BS
again : I don't care about the CDC. What they release or don't release is on them.
> eggs now cause blood clots apparentl 1.24.23 (they had to start making shit up like this because they didn't want to admit that it was COVID causing it
FTFY
> fact check says covid doesn't cause cancer
In 2021 it wasn't as clear that covid was an oncovirus.
> I can go on and on, I have about 50 more of these.
I link to hundreds of papers in my pinned toots. You should actually go read some of them.
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