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    @ouij @youronlyone @o76923

    Could you give some specific examples?

    I think this discussion would be clearer if we talked about specifics?

    In conversation Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:22:51 JST from mstdn.social permalink
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      @ouij @o76923 @youronlyone

      "the instance doesn’t search all of fediverse for it, but only searches through the limited number of posts that have happened to be shared to that one instance that you’re on."

      ...that's because of the decentralised structure.

      If you want every post on every instance to be searchable from every other instance, you are calling for centralisation.

      This isn't a "poison pill", it's just a consequence of decentralisation.

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      Luigi de Guzman (ouij@tambayan.us)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:32:25 JST Luigi de Guzman Luigi de Guzman
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      @o76923 @youronlyone @feditips so, see here.

      https://qoto.org/@volkris/110816915773094018

      This is a helpful explanation about why my feed seems so dead, and I appreciate it. But to me it boils down to: your instance is too small, and your frustrations are by design!

      That’s a benign message, but to a normie the takeaway is: you are being frustrated so the system is working as designed

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        @ouij@tambayan.us IMO, I gripe that the protocol is not beautifully designed at all :) Setting that aside, though, generally when you search for a hashtag through your home account/instance, the instance doesn't search all of fediverse for it, but only searches through the limited number of posts that have happened to be shared to that one instance that you're on. That really limits the horizon of content that is available for it to show you, but it's how the system was designed to function. To put it a different way, each instance only subscribes to feeds that its users have expressed interest in, and so each can only sort through posts in those limited feeds. That's what you're seeing, the window that your particular instance has on the larger network. @ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch
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      FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:34:33 JST FediTips has moved! FediTips has moved!
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      @ouij @o76923 @youronlyone

      The technical costs of every instance trying to index all other posts on all other instances would be huge. Only megacorporations would be able to afford to run an instance.

      However, there are ways for smaller servers to mitigate this using relays, especially relays based on tags:

      https://fedi.tips/using-relays-to-quickly-expand-a-servers-view-of-the-fediverse/

      In conversation Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:34:33 JST permalink
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      @ouij @o76923 @youronlyone

      No, you're not reading my response properly.

      It is not a deliberate decision to restrict things. It's a downside of a system that has many upsides.

      There are no good and bad options, there are only "least worst" choices.

      "I am utterly indifferent to centralization or decentralization. If there is a better way to find things/people I can read, I’ll do that."

      If you are utterly indifferent to the causes of your problems, you will never solve your problems.

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      @feditips @o76923 @youronlyone so once again: the system is Good because the user experience is Not Good.

      I am utterly indifferent to centralization or decentralization. If there is a better way to find things/people I can read, I’ll do that.

      In conversation Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:39:22 JST permalink
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      @ouij @o76923 @youronlyone

      There are good, easy-to-understand reasons why decentralisation is good. These do not require technical knowledge to understand:

      https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers/

      In conversation Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:40:45 JST permalink
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      @ouij @youronlyone @o76923

      The upsides are very relevant to what you want to do, because they tell you whether the solution will be effective.

      Global warming is very relevant to a farmer whose crop yields are threatened by climate change. A farmer can choose to ignore climate science, but such a choice will not help them solve their crop problems.

      If your problems are caused by something, ignoring the cause will not change anything.

      In conversation Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:45:58 JST permalink
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      Luigi de Guzman (ouij@tambayan.us)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:46:33 JST Luigi de Guzman Luigi de Guzman
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      @youronlyone @o76923 @feditips the upsides are diffuse and not relevant to what I want to do. The downside is discrete.

      White cat, black cat—what’s the difference, so long as it catches mice

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      @ouij @o76923 @youronlyone

      It's not about being "intrigued by a structure", it's about being appreciative of the effects of the structure.

      I am not particularly interested in house building and construction codes for their own sake, but I appreciate the work of builders and legislators when my house is warm in winter and it doesn't fall down.

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      Luigi de Guzman (ouij@tambayan.us)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:52:36 JST Luigi de Guzman Luigi de Guzman
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      @o76923 @feditips @youronlyone a good idea and a good experience are not the same thing.

      Again: nobody ever got started posting on a network because they were intrigued by its structure.

      In conversation Friday, 04-Aug-2023 23:52:36 JST permalink

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