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   chjara (chjara@snowdin.town)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:09:31 JST chjara
   also the ethereum DAO incident is really funny because like
   "the blockchain is immutable" oh is it now
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     M-x cofe (eal@social.sakamoto.gq)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:09:25 JST M-x cofe

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     • Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd
     @chjara @koakuma people will be unhappy whichever way it's done (links are often written inside parens like http://example.com/)
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     chjara (chjara@snowdin.town)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:09:27 JST chjara

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     • Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd
     @koakuma god damn it pleroma, last parenthese isn't counted as in the link
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     chjara (chjara@snowdin.town)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:09:28 JST chjara

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     • Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd
     @koakuma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereum#Launch_and_the_DAO_event_(2014%E2%80%932016)
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     Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd (koakuma@uwu.social)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:09:29 JST Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd

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     @chjara Wat happen

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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:25:22 JST Hélène

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     • Sexy Moon
     @chjara @Moon VM bugs don't happen (aka. are not a problem, it's "All as Intended"™) if there's only one implementation of the VM :cirnoHeh:
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     chjara (chjara@snowdin.town)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:25:23 JST chjara

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     • pomstan
     @Moon @pomstan ooh, a VM bug does sound like something that could fuck up the chain big time, has that ever happened?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:25:25 JST Sexy Moon

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     • pomstan
     @chjara @pomstan sure, but that is a "known known" as opposed to say, a VM bug.
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     chjara (chjara@snowdin.town)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:25:26 JST chjara

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     • pomstan
     @Moon @pomstan issue is "correctly written contract", any nontrivial piece of code will have bugs, unless some kind of formal verification is done (but not many people do that)
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:25:30 JST Sexy Moon

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     • pomstan
     @pomstan @chjara you can use indirection. Your main contract calls a function on another contract to do the actual work. The main contract has a mutable pointer to the other contract. Basically we've reached a point where you can decide the level of immutability you want in a smart contract. You can easily make a contract that has parts you can change and other parts you cannot. it can be verified by reading the contract code. So far AFAIK nobody's ever found a hack that cheats a correctly written contract
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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:25:31 JST pomstan

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     • Sexy Moon

     @Moon @chjara what do you mean by updates? when i read about contracts, my understanding was that on-chain bytecode is essentially immutable for a given address

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:25:39 JST Sexy Moon

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     • pomstan
     @pomstan @chjara not easily but you could switch to a non-upgradeable contract.
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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:25:40 JST pomstan

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     @Moon @chjara can’t you keep using the old contract?

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:25:47 JST Sexy Moon

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     @chjara I spend a lot of time working with ENS (Ethereum Name Service) and a lot of words are spent saying it's like DNS but uncensorable. But it's run by a non-profit that can upgrade the contract. What's stopping them from upgrading to a contract with blacklists? Nothing.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:27:30 JST Sexy Moon

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     • Hélène
     @helene @chjara I won't compare to other popular cryptocurrencies, but Ethereum does have a specification and there are independent implementations.
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:28:15 JST Hélène

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     @Moon @chjara in practice i believe only one is used
     i know it's a raised concern for RandomX on Monero because it's the PoW system and the security relies heavily on RandomX opcode distribution
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:35:09 JST Sexy Moon

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     • Hélène
     @helene @chjara not including forks, there are at least six independent implementations of the Ethereum VM. I've personally used ones written in Go and Java
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:35:23 JST Hélène

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     • Sexy Moon
     @Moon @chjara i only know of geth being really used on the network but always good to know
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 21:36:46 JST Sexy Moon

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     • Hélène
     @helene @chjara Currently experimenting with another one named Besu.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Sunday, 18-Sep-2022 22:46:02 JST feld

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     • Hélène
     There's also a high performance cross platform one written in .NET called Nethermind
     
     https://Nethermind.io
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