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   Sayar Tyler :fediverse: (sayartyler@toots.tylerdavis.xyz)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 15:50:59 JST Sayar Tyler :fediverse:

   Hot take: Scholarships are a form of generational wealth.

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 15:50:56 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     How?
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 15:59:04 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Are there literally any scholarships based on being white?
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     Sayar Tyler :fediverse: (sayartyler@toots.tylerdavis.xyz)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 15:59:06 JST Sayar Tyler :fediverse:

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     @bot Scholarships are usually funded by old rich people. Merit-based scholarships indeed require work on the recipient's part, but race- and religious-based scholarships often don't. Therefore, it's still just free money from an older rich person, who just happens to not be blood-related to you.

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     JAJAX (jajax@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:00:11 JST JAJAX

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     @bot @sayartyler probably something about how you're only smart enough to get scholarships if your parents had the money to send you to good primary/secondary schools and hire tutors or spend time teaching you etc.
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     It makes you wonder why parents don’t spend time reaching their children.
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     There are a million colleges so anyone can get in, even blacks who have dedicated colleges given their intellectual status. Getting a degree isn’t really an achievement anymore.
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     Sayar Tyler :fediverse: (sayartyler@toots.tylerdavis.xyz)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:04:01 JST Sayar Tyler :fediverse:

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     @JAJAX @bot That's part of it for merit-based. My argument is more of a steelman against the "[race] people are only high-achieving in university because of generational wealth". I argue that anyone who receives a scholarship (especially a race-based one) is also benefiting from generational wealth. So, the only people who really are disadvantaged in terms of getting into university are those who cannot get any kind of scholarship, financial aid, and don't have good grades.

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:09:06 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Lol come on, let’s stop being dishonest.
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     Sayar Tyler :fediverse: (sayartyler@toots.tylerdavis.xyz)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:09:07 JST Sayar Tyler :fediverse:

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     @bot @JAJAX What do you mean "dedicated colleges"? There are the "historically black colleges", but I don't know of any university in the US that caters specifically to black people.

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     JAJAX (jajax@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:10:33 JST JAJAX

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     @sayartyler @bot Almost everyone sees college as a glorified trade school now. Hardly anyone goes to college to get "educated in the finer things" or to learn about art and culture. They go for a JOB.
     
     That's why college has become so ridiculously expensive. It was sold to the middle classes of the 20th century as THE way to get a good job-- and the price went up and up and up.
     
     It's a cargo cult mentality-- college grads, before this shit happened, were generally people who were really interested in subject matter and could bring original and workable ideas to bear on their industries. Because they were like that BEFORE they ever went to university. But our entire civilization took correlation for causation and blew the importance of the university for getting a job way out of proportion, while obliterating its importance as a way to preserve and propagate the culture of said civilization.
     
     It's a bunch of mess is what it is.
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     Sayar Tyler :fediverse: (sayartyler@toots.tylerdavis.xyz)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:10:34 JST Sayar Tyler :fediverse:

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     @bot @JAJAX My parents are working-class and didn't grow up really valuing higher education. In their mind, why spend upwards up $100,000 on a basic degree to hardly make $40,000 a year after graduating?

     Parents who grew up in educated communities understand the value of Liberal Arts. To the rest, college is a glorified trade school and that's how many universities are transforming themselves (to get more funding).

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:11:05 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     The loans are a big part of the price.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:15:51 JST Sexy Moon

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     @sayartyler @JAJAX @bot generational wealth explicitly means advantage you give to your kids not someone else's kids.
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     JAJAX (jajax@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:19:24 JST JAJAX

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     @Moon @bot @sayartyler Yeah this too.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:19:37 JST Sexy Moon

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     @sayartyler @JAJAX @bot one of the theories of scholarships though is universities have "legacy admissions" where a university gives preference to kids of alumni. So if you can give a scholarship to an underprivileged or black kid and they graduate, they get a good job and they get a bonus on their kid's admission, which has a generational lifting effect. So, indirectly it is but that is intentional and ironically is a demonstration that generational wealth is considered good in this case.
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     JAJAX (jajax@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:19:56 JST JAJAX

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     @sayartyler @bot Lol well you paid WAY more than that was worth. You could have studied that on your own time-- most of the information is publically available on the internet. And what isn't... Isn't worth decades of your lifetime productivity for access to.
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     Sayar Tyler :fediverse: (sayartyler@toots.tylerdavis.xyz)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:19:57 JST Sayar Tyler :fediverse:

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     @JAJAX @bot You could say that's why I purposely got a "useless" degree in German and then an MA in Linguistics. I did -and do- want to be a professor, but not getting a "trade"-focused degree allowed me to enjoy the fine arts aspect of university.

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     JAJAX (jajax@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:20:21 JST JAJAX

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     @bot @sayartyler that too. It's gotten so expensive you're expected to undertake it as a method of indentured servitude for decades after you graduate. But it's super important-- idiot middle classers think you're nobody if you don't have that paper (diploma), and almost no amount of money is too much to spend. Kinda the same psychological grift they play in medicine, except that's all about extracting end-of-life value rather than beginning-of-life value.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:26:28 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     That’s all a lie tho, “lifting up” a handful of dindu families (who all came from money anyway, Tyrone and Jamal are not getting into Harvard, and btw they’re all on sports teams that get excused from retardation) isn’t actually improving the lives of blacks in general.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:31:23 JST Sexy Moon

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     @bot @JAJAX @sayartyler it doesn't work if you don't graduate anyway.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 16:33:38 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     They graduate anyway, even if they’re totally incompetent. That’s just how it works. #WWG1WGA
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 01:25:22 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Your take is wrong.
     
     I went to a state university, got in and the price tag was like 30k per year (half of that was form housing) Then I dropped out for like 3 years and worked the trades.
     
     Then I Re-enrolled under my own (as not dependent) and the state paid me 10k per year in grants and working my trade job, and living on my own, I paid for the rest in cash. (It was only like 5k/yr)
     
     Then I graduated with a degree but was making 30% more in the trades.
     
     Liberal arts college is a waste of time - however the value of school is the connections, work experience, and resources of the college - the actual “education” is useless in lib ed out side of indoctrination.
     
     If you think 40-100k of debt is a lot of money, you shouldn’t be going to that school or enrolling in an education program which doesn’t make it reasonable to pay that back.
     
     People just have no concept of financial planning at that age and unfortunately a lot of parents don’t either.
     
     All - don’t apply for loans as a dependent, if you work full time the state will grant you lots of money. Btw I’m also a white guy who doesn’t qualify for any “aid”. If I was brown, I probably would have profited off of education.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 03:00:50 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     I’ve seen videos of parties at historically black colleges (like shootings and fights) it’s not nice.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 03:00:51 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Here’s one - interestingly it seems they are run by the Catholic Church.
     
     Was founded in 1917. Doesn’t that mean blacks have had their own colleges without white people BEFORE the 60s civil rights stuff????
     
     I’ve been to the campus - it’s actually very nice
     
     https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/xavier-university-1915/#:~:text=Xavier%20was%20founded%20in%201915,Americans%20and%20other%20racial%20minorities.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 03:06:32 JST Mr. Bacon

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     I mean that’s not surprising.
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