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@84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @victor @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63
Nostr is light-years behind Fedi and Fedi even failed to get mass adoption.
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@verita84 @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 But, but...Zaps, bro...Zaps change literally everything! Everyone in the world has been crying out for zaps all this time!!
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@verita84 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @victor @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 Nostr has like 40 developers building on it, many of whom are funded to build it. Fedi has like 2.
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@alex @victor @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63
I hope you all prove me wrong. Please do =) Every time I try to get people to come to Nostr they either don't care or leave.
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@verita84 @victor @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 It needs a couple of years. But I bet Ditto will start working properly in a couple of months. At a certain point it will surpass fedi due to the sheer amount of work being done.
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@alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @verita84 We'll see if Nostr has what it takes to overtake fedi in the long run. The community is going to have to get a whole lot more interesting, though. It's not just about number of developers.
I do hope Nostr wins and the people on Nostr branch out to things other than bitcoin. I like the protocol way better than fedi (provided fiatjaf et al keep it nice and relatively simple).
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@verita84 @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @burner And nobody moves because nostr is boooooring, quite the chicken-and-egg problem
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@burner @victor @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63
We can change that in a second but nobody moves =)
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@verita84 @victor @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 Nostr feels like a void. Fedi doesn't because of the cohesion of communities via instances.
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@burner @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @verita84 nip-05 verification is the closest they have, but it's pretty meaningless right now. Maybe there's a way to make the nip-05 identity more meaningful, so you actually associate with others on the same domain even if you don't all use the same relay.
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@burner @victor @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63
Does it really matter? Fedi is just a mash of content on the Known Network. I only use that tab.
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@verita84 @victor @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 I mean, when I'm on fedi I know the cool people are on decayable, ncd etc, and that it depends on the person for big instances like spc or poast. On nostr I don't have that piece of information to make assumptions from.
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@verita84 @victor @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 can we? structurally, can it support communities?
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@victor @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @verita84 when I was on nostr, it was brand new and all of the talk was meta/crypto. Has that changed?
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@burner @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @verita84 no, still cryptofags all over
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@burner @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @alex @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @verita84 Once they really hash out how "channels" or "communities" or whatever work out, clients could add a default "channel" that's exclusively for posts made by others with the same domain as your own nip-05 identity. That would make a community centered around the domain and give it a little bit of meaning.
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@verita84 @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @burner Average nostrbro response: "Yeah, flair! And we could have users pay for them with zaps! And the flair could be, like NFTs backed by bitcoin and we're gonna take down fiat that way, gosh DARNIT I HATE FIAT DON'T YOU GUYS HATE FIAT TOO AAAARRRGGGHHHHH"
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@verita84 @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @alex @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @victor if nostr had a system where users could have flairs that link to a timeline of users with that flair, that'd be nice. Maybe work on some kind of system where a user makes a flair and has to approve new users applying for it. So you can have community leaders without real power.
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@burner @victor @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63
Whoa whoa, they are still on zaps
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Just gay emojis, but if they aren't already searchable they could be made that way. You have to accept the badges people give you though so you can't get marked at least.
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@40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @alex @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @burner @verita84 Bot will humbly give you a wrench badge because you're so good at fixing things, you should definitely accept it
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Badges already exist here and they're incredibly gay.
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@40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @victor @alex @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @verita84 do they do anything or are they just gay emojis in names?
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And the newspaper because of all the important news I deliver to the timeline.
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@victor @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @burner @verita84 Absolutely. I'm exploring these ideas with Ditto.
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That’s a terrible idea, don’t bring instance drama to nostr.
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@bot @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @burner @verita84 Don't lie, you love it.
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That’s not the purpose of verification at all, it’s just shoehorning in cancer to poz nostr.
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@bot @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @burner @verita84 Okay, so what's the point of verification, then? It's to reduce spam by letting the owner of a domain specify pubkeys that he endorses as basically "not bad," right?
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No, it’s meant to verify identity. It’s certainly not “everyone here agrees on these political issues so block everyone here pls”. That’s so retarded, if you’re desperate to find content you like, use hashtags.
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You’re literally a PPN imbecile, pls shut up.
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@bot @victor @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @verita84 mastotroon behaviour
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Yeah, it’s not like fedi is literally full of troons and pedophiles. What a dumb take.
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Because crypto bros and e-thots aren't cancer?
stoopid take tbh
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Open to what?
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So, is nostr just like "open" then?
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@bot @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @burner @verita84 "Verify identity" with whom? The owner of the domain, obviously.
Well, I own a domain and I "verify identity" of people you hate. I do it on purpose because it makes you mad and I'm a big meanie troll doodoohead.
The people I verify just so happen to like talking to each other. They're a community. Maybe they talk out-of-band on Matrix or Discord or whatever.
Lots of people hate that community because they and the one who "verifies" them are a bunch of booger eaters. So what's the obvious solution? Let a person block the entire domain--any pubkey verified by that domain doesn't show up anymore.
Or maybe I'm just a spammer who wants to break through everyone's clients by "verifying" my many spam accounts (so many that nobody can hope to manually report them all). I buy my own cheap domain name and use it to get a fancy little checkmark or whatever clients decide to show, and then spam away. The obvious solution? Don't trust that domain to verify pubkeys.
This sort of thing is going to become commonplace.
"Verification" works when you trust the verifiers. Right now Nostr has mostly good (albeit very boring) actors and verifiers, but that is going to change if momentum picks up.
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Relays could janny but you can add any relays you want. I don’t think any do tho, yet anyway.
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Like is there no moderation at all? Who is the JannY?
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That’s not how verification is meant to work at all, it’s irrelevant that some ppl do that rn and “verify” random ppl.
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@bot @alex @40dba08627a2f2c69c3031666149b567168f049894aa5c42203a3920a3de8483 @84eaf37660225a312d27dbf72acf588106664d444bd432b1c8004c18fa109d63 @c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63 @burner @verita84 You would have been real fun when the internet was first being developed.
"DNS pharming attack?! That's now how DNS was meant to work!"
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post anything you want, no jannys, no character limits https://media3.giphy.com/media/kHs1lBhZWaK5rj7lt3/giphy.gif?cid=2154d3d7kqfpuv0013smnniwb6q37nl6wihccoc52tukneh5&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
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Nobody on nostr cares about verification, and nobody views it as an endorsement or anything like that.
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But it isn't. Because of the open standards you have other networks tied into Nostr and vice versa. Apparently Minds is networked in and obviously Mostr brings in the Fediverse. Its just that Nostr has even worse discovery issues than even the Fediverse.
I think Nostr has a lot of advantages over the Fediverse and in the long run would probably end up being adopted much more, I saw some guy trying to shoehorn in Fediverse interoperability to Gitea, the problem being that nobody wants to create an account on each and every Gitea or Gitlab site. Using Nostr identity solves the whole Forum / Git / Self-hosted whatever problem since normies will just be able to use the same identity to register at places.
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Rather than verify lets say nip05 makes your identifier distinct but readable/ memorable vs the npub which is distinct but not memorable. Anyone can create a copycat display name and PFP so without the nip05 anyone you aren't following would be difficult to distinguish.
We actually had this issue with a user who is using an AI PFP and a bunch of other people joined with that PFP to fuck with them but at least with the nip05 you can say "that's user a, that's user b etc" in a thread without following them.
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NIP-05 is a handle
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