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   John Shirley (johnshirley2023@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 04:35:44 JST John Shirley

   • vantablack

   @vantablack But what if there IS a subset of trans who are harrassing lesbian women? Trans are human beings and human beings have faults and some trans may have that particular fault. BBC news is not some right wing hysteria site, they're actually pretty progressive. Why would it be forbidden to bring attention to *one small subset* of the trans world? It's not saying all trans people do this. Every community has to accept responsibility as well as privilege.

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 04:35:42 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     @JohnShirley2023 @vantablack

     If it's a small subset then why are they focusing on it when a lot of the rhetoric around trans women is designed to paint us as sexual predators and monsters, so focusing on something a small minority of trans women might be doing can only hurt us by giving people this perception that we are more notibly sexually dangerous than others, and giving pop something to paint us all like that, and reinforcing the cultural narrative around us?

     Also, if every group has their bad apples why is it newsworthy that there are a few bad apples among trans women too? I don't think saying that trans people are new to the scene justifies focusing on something about us that you don't focus on for anyone else, because people wouldn't assume that we are perfect angels just because we are new to the scene, so they don't *need* to release an article proving that we aren't to disabuse people of that notion, which is what you are implying. In fact, once again, it is quite the opposite — the prevailing notion of trans women is as monsters and sexual predators and perverts, so this article isn't actually responding to an epistemic need that needs to be clarified about us, it's just playing into existing prejudice through confirmation bias.

     It's like if they ran an article talking about how, I dunno, a few powerful bankers happen to be Jewish and are in collusion to do something that will tank the economy or something. Whether it's strictly true or not, it's harmful, because it feeds into prejudiced assumptions through reinforcement bias and cherry picking.

     Moreover, one of the cis lesbians platformed by the article went on to write an incredibly hateful screed that literally called for the lynching of multiple famous trans women explicitly and BY NAME. Many of the others quoted in the article have links to anti-trans hate as well iirc. And the actual stories behind their claims of being pressured are likely distorted by the fact that they're transphobic: if they turn down a trans woman in an extremely transphobic and misgendering way, and people get mad at them for being transphobic, they're going to interpret that as people getting mad at them for not getting with a trans woman, and if you actually look at what they say you get the sense that's probably what happened.

     Additionally The Guardian claims they've reached out to some prominent trans figures for comment and no one took them up on it, and *that's* why there are no perspectives from trans women to actually balance out the score in the article, but at least one prominent trans person to my memory says she attempted to reach out to The Guardian to offer herself up for an interview when this article was going through and they just ignored her. So.

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     elizabeth veldon (elizabethveldon@mastodon.scot)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 04:37:36 JST elizabeth veldon

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     @JohnShirley2023 @vantablack but, and here's the kicker, even this article could not find an example of this.

     might it exist? yes but even the BBC, with paid researchers, could find not a single instance so, yea, i'd criticise any trans person doing this but there's no evidence of it happening.

     what is true, however, is that trans people have a one in two lifetime chance of being raped, we suffer a higher instance of violence in both the street relationships + the workplace..

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 04:39:57 JST Charlie Stross

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     @JohnShirley2023 @vantablack John, BBC news *is* a right wing transphobic hysteria site this century. I've completely given up on the BBC—their main news flagship program is run by white supremacists.

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     Staid Winnow (staidwinnow@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 04:42:32 JST Staid Winnow

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     @JohnShirley2023 @vantablack

     So you have some uncorroborated one-sided anecdotes, accusing a much-vilified group of impropriety.

     It is a massively disproportionate focus.

     Imagine if you will hearing about the atrocities committed in the klan-dominated areas of the New South. Crimes are committed against Blacks every day.

     Then you hear about some folks in the local diner talking about that one time a Black patron shouted obscenities at a white waitress and left without paying.

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     Staid Winnow (staidwinnow@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 04:42:33 JST Staid Winnow

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     @JohnShirley2023 @vantablack

     A sense of proportion.

     Assume that your premise is indeed true. That there is a subset of transgender women harassing lesbian women.

     How big is the transgender demographic anyway? Then, how small is this subset within it?

     An article like the one cited is one-sided. It derives its conclusions from an unknown-sized sample set and does not have any verification of the allegations.

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