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   Aether ??? (aether@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 20:30:16 JST Aether ???
   The US and Europe are growing alarmed that, having been denied access to the latest technologies for producing the most advanced chips, China is now using older technologies to produce less advanced chips.
   
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   Judging from this story the US and Europe are not very bright.
   
   Still, China will eventually be able to make up for losing access to ASML. Probably have the plans, just need to build the factories to build the parts to build the machines to build the parts to build the Lithographs.
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 20:30:13 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @Aether @deprecated_ii @sickburnbro why do chips need to be small to be better?

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     Aether ??? (aether@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 20:30:14 JST Aether ???

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     @sickburnbro @deprecated_ii The US has been proven to have massively underestimated the power of 40nm chips the Russians are currently using. Sure it is not as powerful as a 7nm the US are using in bombs.
     
     But do you really need the latest most costly chip in munitions?
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     d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 20:30:15 JST d

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     @Aether we stopped them using new chips... and they used le old chips?
     
     maybe the chinks will finally give me something cool like a 2 GHz Z80. but probably not
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 20:30:15 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @deprecated_ii @Aether this is actually the bigger thing. If you aren't doing a big dumb capitalism, you can get quite a lot done with a decade old chips, especially when that something is bombs and radars.
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 20:38:32 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @Aether @deprecated_ii @sickburnbro sure, but 7nm? Can't you just use the same amount of transistors but with a 40nm framework. Sure it will be 32x bigger ((40/7)^2, or should that be ^3?). But in anything other than a smart phone, who gives a shit.

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     Aether ??? (aether@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 20:38:33 JST Aether ???

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     @ned @deprecated_ii @sickburnbro Allows more transistors to be placed on one chip, the more transistors, the more power
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 21:11:14 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @laurel @Aether @deprecated_ii @sickburnbro OK, so the only part there that is relevant is the less resistance, less heat bit. I have also heard that with absurdly small chips the error rate goes up due to data track interactions. Is the trade off for power/heat efficiency in smaller chips really that much better than the stability of larger ones? Remember we're not talking about consumer electronics here. Aesthetics are irrelevant.

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     laurel (laurel@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 21:11:15 JST laurel

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     @ned @Aether @deprecated_ii @sickburnbro
     
     smaller transistors = less distance between them = less resistance when signals travel = less heat produced
     smaller transistors = fit more of them on a wafer = faster production/lower cost
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 21:13:11 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @ned @Aether @deprecated_ii smaller is important when you are running at high frequencies, when you start running at the GHz range, the distance that electricity can travel in one cycle is not as long as you think, and the point of a cycle is for all parts of the unit to be in the same state.
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Aug-2023 21:13:11 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @sickburnbro @Aether @deprecated_ii ahhhh! Good answer. OK, that makes a whole lot of sense.