Strypey
@jeffcliff
> What you're really against is people disagreeing with eachother, and in particular people disagreeing with you
I agree this attitude is out there. I disagree with it as much as you do. But if it was true of me - or the mods of my instance - I wouldn't even be seeing your posts my friend; )
You're slaughtering a strawman.
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Strypey
@jeffcliff
> Slurs and threats are part of human communication
Maybe. By the same logic, you could say punching and killing people when one disagrees with them is also "part of human communication". So?
People are entitled to protect themselves against both physical *and* verbal abuse, both individually *and* collectively.
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Strypey
@jeffcliff
I'm all for freedom of expression. I defend people''s right to set up an instance, say whatever they want, and federate that out to be heard. But for exactly the same reason - respect for universal human rights - I'm all for voluntary association. Which means the right to exclude spammers or mouthbreathers from everyone else's servers, and Nazis from your bar.
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Strypey
@jeffcliff
The point is, there's no sensible reason to make everyone in the verse manually block every spammer. Not when admins can block them for everyone on the server, and block entire domains that harbour their accounts.
By the same token, there's no sensible reason to make everyone who speaks up for reproductive liberty, manually block the mouthbreathers that react to that with slurs and threats.
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Strypey
@jeffcliff
> how many nazis do you think are out there?
I chose the phrase "Nazi bar" for a reason, web search it. You're taking an ideological position, not a situational one. Which is just the inverse of the equally impractical 'permission required from admin before federation' position.
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Strypey
@jeffcliff
> But because it's so broken by internal censorship this won't happen
Cry me a river. People not being able to get spam and other low-grade, high-volume nonsense delivered to those who don't want to see it, is a feature not a bug. Without it, any social network quickly turns into either a multi-level marketing conference, or a Nazi bar, or a horrific combination of both. Just look at FarceBook and Titter.
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Strypey
We do need better ways of doing this than the 'shoot first, ask questions never' FediBlock approach. But just doing nothing, and letting people get abused and chased out of the verse by griefers, isn't a viable option.
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Strypey
@jeffcliff
> fediblock is doing grave damage to the reputation of the fediverse, by keeping people from being able to connect eachother
OTOH it also helps to keep certain people (of various kinds) from being dogpiled by hate mobs as soon as they walk in the door. For those of us who do understand what's going on, this is a feature, not a bug, see:
https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110689500577614547
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