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   Kindness is thankful (qurlyjoe@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:40:09 JST Kindness is thankful

   Apparently, the Bible verses about a talking snake are literal, but the part about forgiving everyone's debt is just a metaphor.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:22:51 JST iced depresso

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     > talking snakes are bad for you
     > medicine venerates a serpent emblem
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 08:00:43 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @icedquinn @qurlyjoe Serpent is knowledge (Which god didn't want his pets to have :P), medicine is a fuckton of knowledge.
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     Ethan Black (golemwire@social.librem.one)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 08:46:40 JST Ethan Black

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     @qurlyjoe The verse about forgiving everyone was literal too. I am around a lot of Christians and I have never heard anyone claim that forgiving people was just a metaphor.

     (You said forgiving everyone's *debt*, though... could you share a verse reference?)

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     Ethan Black (golemwire@social.librem.one)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 10:15:06 JST Ethan Black

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     @qurlyjoe Oh OK, my bad.

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     Kindness is thankful (qurlyjoe@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 10:15:07 JST Kindness is thankful

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     • Ethan Black

     @golemwire
     It’s a joke. Riffing on the current right wing anathema toward any notion of mitigating student debt in particular and thereby any debt in general, except for Republican owned companies who got Covid-relief loans excused, for instance, and the stereotypical right wing Christian evangelical insistence on a literal interpretation of the parts of the Bible that they think suit their politics. So, no, I have no chapter and verse to quote.

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     Ethan Black (golemwire@social.librem.one)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 07:24:10 JST Ethan Black

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     • Colin Watson

     @cjwatson @qurlyjoe Matthew 6:12: "and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors." (translation: ESV).
     This is part of the well-known example prayer by Jesus, "the Lord's prayer". On giving it a read (again) I think it is pretty clear that it is in no way talking about money owed.

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     Colin Watson (cjwatson@mastodon.ie)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 07:24:11 JST Colin Watson

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     • Ethan Black

     @golemwire @qurlyjoe Deuteronomy 15:1-11 doesn't seem irrelevant either. (Admittedly directed specifically at Israelites, though isn't much of Christianity predicated on reading that as broadly as possible, at least when it seems convenient?)

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     Colin Watson (cjwatson@mastodon.ie)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Aug-2023 07:24:13 JST Colin Watson

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     @golemwire @qurlyjoe Matthew 6:12 seems like the obvious one? (It's not always translated "debt", but as far as I can see the Greek had both legal/monetary and figurative senses.)

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     Ethan Black (golemwire@social.librem.one)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:10:57 JST Ethan Black

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     • Colin Watson

     @cjwatson @qurlyjoe Deuteronomy 15:1-11 was directed at the Israelites, yes. The Old Testament law was just the law of the ancient Israelites, but due to who Christians believe created the Bible, when there's something universal in the Old Testament, we'll continue to follow it.