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   kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 17:32:34 JST kaia
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 17:37:16 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @kaia tfw not this 😢
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     Matrix-Sasuke (ken@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 17:37:18 JST Matrix-Sasuke

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     @kaia yay! Omg! Yay!
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     chjara is here now (chjara@meow.tuxcrafting.online)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 17:39:01 JST chjara is here now

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     @kaia@brotka.st C? damn, sadism play?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 17:39:54 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @chjara @kaia *un*bounded arrays though.
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     bartholin (bartholin@fops.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 17:45:44 JST bartholin

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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 19:15:20 JST kaia

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     can you please leave me in peace and not do this daily? I really do not want to interact with you and I do not want people to continuously ask me why I stopped interacting with you - for your benefit.
     
     much appreciated, thanks!
     
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     Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 19:15:21 JST Maholmire

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     • parallel unstable lean :OwOid:
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     Was confused as fuck there when I saw Kaia pop back up in my feed. That was until I noticed you had boosted one of their posts @getimiskon lmao.

     Though I don’t think they want to federate with the likes of us anymore after pivoting to develop a safe space for their bubble timeline @nukie.

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     GRC (grc@mindly.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 21:53:57 JST GRC

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     @kaia then Im gonna get some coffee

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:30:22 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lispi314 @kaia @chjara
     > FFI
     > To get rid of C
     > Implying you can write programs without C shenanigans
     
     Not gonna happen until Linux and a lot of near-mandatory system libraries reduces their C dependency to describe interfaces.
     (Also s-expressions are shit, just expose an API to the AST parser you want wild metaprogramming)
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     LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:30:23 JST LisPi

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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     @lanodan @kaia @chjara First exercise: Implement a halfway decent Lisp (like Scheme) with FFI
     Second exercise: Implement a Common Lisp implementation

     Now throw C in the garbage where it belongs.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:41:22 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     > s-expressions
     > pleasant to read
     
     Holy crap… just no. And in terms of structure: I've never seen people so inept at understanding structures that don't map well to s-exp (XML for example) than lisp people.
     
     > It is possible to generate C code from Lisp for the explicit purpose of creating bindings & callbacks.
     
     Meaning you still get C shenanigans, you just added a carpet on top to make it look cleaner to your eyes, but it's not (so you risk technical debt).
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     LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:41:23 JST LisPi

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     @lanodan @kaia @chjara S-expressions enable much nicer structured editing and are also more pleasant to read.

     Also API-based AST mangling like Rust or Nim absolutely sucks to work with.

     It is possible to generate C code from Lisp for the explicit purpose of creating bindings & callbacks. Autowrapping compilers are also a thing.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:59:40 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lispi314 @kaia @chjara MathML is the same thing as shoving everything in s-expressions: Math cannot be efficiently represented in a tree of nodes, but people will still try hard to do it.
     
     > By all means no new C software should be written save for that needed to help with its deprecation.
     
     How do you use syscalls and ioctls on linux without parsing C at some point?
     OpenBSD even wants to require usage of the libc for syscalls.
     Most people will want to use PAM at some point for authentication, which is C-only.
     Etc, etc, …
     See why Java, Go, Rust, … link to the libc.
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     LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 06:59:41 JST LisPi

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     @lanodan @kaia @chjara I don't see the problem with s-exp for XML, it can convey the same information far more expressively.

     e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MathML#Content_MathML

     The C shenanigans & debt can be minimized with a mild performance tradeoff from the right abstractions.

     The real solution would be to get rid of the C base though.

     By all means no new C software should be written save for that needed to help with its deprecation.

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     Gen X-Wing (breadbin@bitbang.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 09:57:08 JST Gen X-Wing

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     @kaia Don’t threaten me with a good time.

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