@Moon what do u mean with uncontroversially? i know most of my peers dont know about it. but on the other hand im to deep into gothic/industrial subcultures....
also once had to explain why the old logo of the asow battalion in ukraine is problematic
Did you notice when they covered Ray Epps they called Jan 6 a protest? Then when they hit the cycle again it was an insurrection… the media is just evil.
Couldn't have put it better myself tbh. I would've been a little more lenient at the very least in hearing out what that person might have to say even if I may not personally agree with or abide by it. Understanding the rhetoric behind radical ideologies and schools of thought is the best way to combat them.
@Maholmire i think kaia doesnt want to interact with people who play down the dangers of fascism or take it lightly. i havent talked about anything specific with kaia though and i havent felt any change in moderation. this instance is fairly open. tbh im not sure if an instance can be more open with german law applicable.
i dont mind talking about nazis, fascism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc.
but there is a limit how much time i personally am willing to invest. also i am not willing to compromise on those topics. those topics are to delicate to take them lightly.
humour in general is a good coping mechanism, but there are ways to do it, and an audience which can handle it and make sure not the wrong impression comes across.
i, and many others, are not willing to comprimise because extremists wanna see us dead or in forced worker camps.
most times im willing to talk to people no matter there beliefs if a good talk is possible. that said im to busy the last few weeks to do so. but i will be again. i strongly belief talking about nazism and with racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes etc is important. but i am not willing to compromise in any way. and there are certain lines which are a crime by german law and me personally also thinks those lines are to discusting to keep the conversation going.
Not sure whether it was just me in particular and the people I actively federated with, but wouldn't weighing on topics of war and neo-nazism be contrary to the environment your instance has been trying to carve out lately?
@Moon@Maholmire yeah, thats why i had no issues at all taking part with the conversation. :WThumbsUp:
i think he was just not sure where we draw the line on brotkast. since i didnt know much about the other incidents kaia blocked instances i tried to guess
Communists are the same thing, but with a larger body count. The difference is mostly they will throw you in ovens for wearing glasses on top of being gay and whatever ethnic group they don’t like. And they tend to run out of gas for the ovens, so they make you dig your own ditch and shoot/machete you.
@lain@Moon tbh i think this is unironical a huge issue of modern moderists. they claim the ideology of humanism and pretend to value human life and than extrajudicial drone murder, guantanamo, imprisoned journalists, etc exists in our good moralistic european and north american countries too.
i still belief in many of the values. just not in the current people in power living up to them
I’ve seen it in action firsthand. Back a couple of months ago there was a fair bit of hubbub around the release of Hogwarts Legacy. The game takes place in the Wizarding World, a setting first created by Joanne Rowling who in recent years has come under fire for their controversial opinions regarding transgender women in feminism. As you can imagine, there was a moral outroar amidst “the usual suspects“ that called for the game to be boycotted. This is fine, as after all everyone, businesses included should have the right to choose with whom they will or will not associate.
The issues started emerging, however when scores of brigades would go on to harass content creators for showcasing or reviewing the game. One reportedly even got harassed to such an extent that they ultimately decided not to review the game which they announced in a video on their YouTube channel. Whether brigading is an issue of the LGBTQIA+ or a symptom of the aforementioned radicalism is up for debate. Though regardless of how one might feel on that particular subject matter. Something that is a little more concrete though is how the outrage came about so suddenly and around the period of the game’s impending release when it could be pre-ordered. You would think for something so high profile as a triple-A title that invested queers might have been following its development ahead of time.
It is my belief that the LGBTQIA+ specifically in this particular instance has been manipulated by a handful of bad actors posing as queer people. Stirring controversy to artificially manufacture outrage that would go on to help sell copies and make the LGBTQIA+ movement and by extension, queer people in general look bad by comparison. When you see how Donald Trump deftly took advantage of memes and popular culture on the internet to secure his vote for the presidential election, it starts to make a lot more sense. They are a targeted minority primarily composed of vulnerable teenagers and adults. A demographic that may easily be swayed to follow political ideologies that favor their circumstances or otherwise manipulate into calls of action to prosecute someone for holding supposedly harmful and dangerous opinions that threaten the freedoms of said demographic.
The above can easily be applied to just about any demographics composed of minorities whether that be for gender, ethnic or religious movements. That is why as an Egalitarianism and libertarian both, I fight for the rights of queer people to have the same rights and prospects as anyone else irrespective of their gender, sexuality, ethnicity, handi-capability, religion, or politics. While also regarding most that identify themselves as LGBTQIA+ and liberals in general with disdain. As I see them as those that have been led astray by political dogma, adopting political ideologies that on the surface may seem equitable and fair while unknowingly serving the nefarious ends. I don’t hate people for traits about themselves that they cannot change, though that won’t stop me from having particular types of people or behavior grate on me.
All in all, we’ve all probably fallen for a psyop that played into the hands of the powers that be on our earth.
@Maholmire@Moon mhh i think vastly disagree of the social movement stuff, the contrary tbh, but more over i dont see much of an connection between your posts and the baest dude/dudette
I was able to distill a lot of what @Moon was communicating, some of which even aligned with my own currently held beliefs. Here’s the core of what their message is. Politicians have been taking advantage of social movements such as feminism, LGBTQA+, BLM, and so on to push harmful rhetoric that radicalizes vulnerable minorities and vindicates them through the promise of more equitable policies. Using the pretense of “equality“ to pass increasingly more authoritarian laws that bolster their power while stripping us of our civil liberties.
All the while demonstrating throughout points in history the sheer amount of evil that has been done in the name of one good cause or another. I.E Colonialism, the Japanese-American internment camps in World War II, Gulf Wars, and most recently moral grandstanding about middle eastern refugees while also washing their hands of any responsibility in doing with them. Claiming the West is guided by “good“ moral character of their societies in contrast to the rest of the world is nothing short of bad comedy.
Given the opportunity, any administration of a country will commit heinous acts in their foreign interests or own citizens. As is shown to be the case with Operation Northwood. I could rattle on providing several other contrasting examples. Though the general sentiment is that politics are a farse as everything is rigged in the favor of established parties and that your local government like any other company is not to be trusted.
@grillchen@lain@Moon The true of the fact is that there doesn't exist a single political party, a single politician or single institution, that has right wing beliefs much less nat. soc. ones. They killed everyone in the war and those who survived the war, the purges, where hunted down years later by spies and killed right then and there.
But what of their children? Go look them up, drug addicts, degenerates, narcissists, petit bourgeoisie who could not change anything or lead themselves out of a bed.
What the media labels as "right wing" is nothing more than manly banter, comedy and house hold confessions. There isn't any social movements, it's just mass hysteria that justifies the state knocking down your door for saying you disliked something, humiliating you for not following party guidelines, and further justifying the intrusion of the state in your life.
Ever since 1945 all that was left was larping, nobody can change anything, god is dead and we killed him, but have you tasted Grimace's shake? Oh I uploaded to my tiktok, the memes weren't lying!
@grillchen@Moon@lain It's the same tactic they always use to gather popular support while subverting the people's interest, Die Grünen was founded by militants of the Reich and look them now, a pit of endless filth
They take over movements that hold popular banners, hollow them and repurpose them, while still holding the same banners even if it makes no sense at all
@McMongoose@lain@Moon first of all this comparison is completely pointless for me. i think the only thing i remember about puerto rico and american media is april being part puerto rican in parks and recreation :laughing_cirno:
second of all just because zelenskyy got elected not all nazis suddenly vanished.
just like not all racism issues suddenly vanished when obama was elected.
some people see the world in more than black and white
@Maholmire They aren’t, their admin is Dr Elmo. He’ supports pedos, is a vax shill and climate alarmist. We all think he dresses up in drag on the weekends too.
I really don't care about J.K Rowling or her bad takes. Social Darwinism will eventually take its course without the need for anyone manually intervening otherwise.
Nobody has to care about what sort of bigot she is so long as they have nothing to do with her. But you’re talking about her here, so maybe you should inform yourself.
I’ve heard that, but I honestly don’t care enough about her to go out of my way to look into it for myself. That’s why I’ll use language that alleges the stuff that I haven’t personally verified for myself firsthand.
They probably are, though as you can probably tell from the language used in my prior posts, I don't like to throw around terms like that lightly without first validating the facts for myself.