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@ageha @Humpleupagus @condret I don't want to extend the thread into what is capitalism really but my priors are that I think trade and needing fungible units of account are completely, totally unavoidable. money is a technology though and it has a social shape and that shape has externalities so I reject capitalism as the ultimate organizing force for society but it is a component and we have to have things in place to minimize the bad aspects.
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@itzpaquet @Humpleupagus @condret @ageha I'm sketchy on the link between scientific racism and capitalism.
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@Moon @Humpleupagus @condret @ageha
i think there's a difference between power struggles and the cultural force that invented scientific racism and embraced capitalism. the former is honestly easy to understand and a proven way to spend long eras of human history without running into ecological failures. i'm not qualified to say that this is a uniquely evil thing, but industrial colonization has to be somewhere on the level of the industrial revolution in terms of global social impact. they do this, all the while pretending like its somehow good and right. that's fucking crazy to me, so many people all just agreeing that most of the rest of the people on the planet don't qualify as "actual people". its too uncomfortable to think about. rude even, and being rude is far worse than allowing other human beings to be exploited for hundreds of years. the belief persists, people still think like that today. saying, "well we saved our victims from fighting with each other." like it was a favor. fighting 👏 is 👏 fun 👏 but instead we have armies of alienated incels ready to die to protect this pile of shit. in a way, i think it boils down to if "the people" have a heart. it takes a lot of people to run an empire, and people play along. it works because of that. you see people suffering everywhere, but "its just part of the cost, you see. i got mine so whatever." it hurts too much to really feel what's up i suppose. the horror is so extreme that its maybe debilitating to even recognize. it has the feel of trauma. a deep wound echoing through time.
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@itzpaquet @Humpleupagus @condret @ageha okay, in a previous post I did say that I believe in the inevitability of markets and money but I don't have an allegiance to it in the form you're talking about. I didn't want to defend Meta, just that the government has always had complete power to issue warrants and since the 70s compel businesses (which are chartered by the government) completely without warrants to turn over data. I appreciate your response and whenever you reply I do try to take it in good faith and learn from it as it comes from a perspective pretty different than I grew up around.
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@Moon @Humpleupagus @condret @ageha
strictly speaking, capitalism is a specific type of market economy that arose during the european settler colonial era. scientific racism arose during that same era as a justification for the proceedings.
its reasonable to confuse it with the colloquial use of the word which refers to many types of market economies including historial systems that lacked many of the main features of the modern capitalist economy, but hey. i should have stated my definition to avoid confusion.
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@itzpaquet @Humpleupagus @ageha @condret I am understanding your post would include both the current government and capitalism under the same movement so it makes sense.
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