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   BSD/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2023 09:47:25 JST BSD/r000t

   My biggest issue with catering to people who report (request censorship of) anything they even slightly disagree with, is that once that behavior is rewarded, they will come to expect it elsewhere.

   Meaning they will come to expect it from the government, too.

   If this doesn't bother you, it should.

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     BSD/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2023 09:47:20 JST BSD/r000t

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     @terryenglish @AlgorithmWolf The other thing is like, people are extremely impressionable.

     And young people are even more impressionable than normal. They also are in desperate need of an identity.

     So you have massive online communities of impressionable current and future voters, running around reinforcing to each other the idea that "free speech is bad" and, especially in places like the fediverse, "free speech is so bad, that those two words, and those two words alone, are the only reason I need to dismiss an entire group of people"

     And the government vs. private consequences bit is really only brought up to, again, dismiss the idea of free speech. It's a complete refusal to so much as consider that there are benefits to the concept of open debate, such that the government not being able to intrude on it was considered particularly important. The only thing being considered is "Well I'm not the government so free speech bad"

     We are quickly approaching a point where someone running for public office could unironically float the idea of abolishing free speech, and it will be met with thunderous applause. A coordinated effort in such an environment could trivially get a constitutional amendment passed.

     If one believes the "nazi bar" bit, then one should also be able to apply the same concept to people moving for the abolition of free speech. Sure, this one person doesn't *really* want people to be jailed for offending others, but then their friends show up who 100% do.

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     BSD/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2023 09:47:21 JST BSD/r000t

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     @terryenglish @AlgorithmWolf Instructions to do violence has never been considered free speech.

     So it's a little frustrating, seeing people who want others to serve jail time for saying they dislike the current president (that's both sides btw), being bolstered by January 6th. January 6th was never legal.

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     ?? Blobcat Enjoyer (terryenglish@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2023 09:47:23 JST ?? Blobcat Enjoyer

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     @AlgorithmWolf The problem comes with the bad actors who knowingly disseminate disinformation. Their jobs become more difficult with a better educated population so that I think would be a better long term solution. It also depends on what is meant by "censorship". There has been a lot of selective outrage from the right when their grifters are called out for their lies which has been referred to as "censorship" or "cancelling". @r000t
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     A* Ulven (algorithmwolf@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2023 09:47:24 JST A* Ulven

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     @r000t I used to be a massive advocate of freedom of speech. "words only have the meaning you give them", I told myself. Maybe you think similarly.
     
     Then the January 6th Capitol attack happened.
     
     People cannot be trusted with fully uncensored speech. Regardless, freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences.
     
     In your own words: if it doesn't bother you, it should.
     
     And yes, I'm aware that censorship is a slippery slope, and powerful tools in the hands of dictatorial powertripping egotistical assholes is objectively a bad outcome. But if you ask me, fully uncensored, unregulated speech is also extremely harmful.