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   :pdx_elk: (rose@503junk.house)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 11:24:46 JST :pdx_elk:

   phone manufacturers: we just don't have room for a 3.5mm audio jack

   also phone manufacturers:

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     Warlock Of Wires (warlockofwires@techhub.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:24:43 JST Warlock Of Wires

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     • Wilfried Klaebe

     @wonka

     A quick search does not mention anything about an IP rating..

     I spend a lot of my time in the Cascadia region of the USA where things get really wet so I need to have a phone that's going to withstand hours of downpouring rain in my pocket...

     Right now I use a caterpillar s22 flip that I've picked up to replace my Galaxy s22 Samsung. I super like this flip phone because it runs normal Android

     fu likes this.
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     Wilfried Klaebe (wonka@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:24:44 JST Wilfried Klaebe

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     • Teknikal_Domain
     • Warlock Of Wires

     @Warlockofwires
     I've been running around with the Neo Freerunner... I would have no problem with a phone being that thick. I'd put mine into an Otter box if there was one for it.

     @tek_dmn @rose

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     Warlock Of Wires (warlockofwires@techhub.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:24:45 JST Warlock Of Wires

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     • Teknikal_Domain
     • Wilfried Klaebe

     @wonka @tek_dmn @rose

     https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-xcover/buy/?modelCode=SM-G736UZKEXAA&cid=pla-ecomm-pfs-mob-us-google-na-04012022-170123-&ds_e=GOOGLE-cr:0-pl:264703705-&ds_c=FF~Other+Phones_CN~HHP+Other+Phones+PMax_ID~B000105M_PH~long_MK~us_BS~mx_PR~smart_SB~multi_FS~hqloe_CA~smp_KS~npla_MT~na-&ds_ag=-&ds_k=&gad=1&gclsrc=ds&gclsrc=ds

     It ended up being too big for my use case I like small phones on the Galaxy s10e but I thoroughly enjoyed everything about this phone. It appears to be kind of like a Hidden Gem. It's a shame they don't take this product line and make it more consumer available...

     At the very least the battery doesn't require any tools to replace and that's already a huge step forward relative to everything from the past 5 years

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     Wilfried Klaebe (wonka@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:24:47 JST Wilfried Klaebe

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     • Teknikal_Domain
     • Warlock Of Wires

     @Warlockofwires
     There have been phones where you could buy a 29.95€ replacement part if your 3.5mm jack broke: https://shop.fairphone.com/shop/fairphone-3-top-module-38
     And I guess you wouldn't find replacing that part very hard, it's made to be user serviceable.

     @tek_dmn @rose

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     Teknikal_Domain (tek_dmn@mastodon.tekdmn.me)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:24:48 JST Teknikal_Domain

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     @rose I hate to "um, actually" on this one but the theortical issue is that cameras can extend outwards off the mainboard. A headphone jack can't, and you need room for it inside the phone in-plane with the board which means less total component space.

     I mean it's all moot anyways, the real reason they say that is because Apple said it, and Apple said it because either they wanted to push AirPods, or they felt that wires ruined the brand and image of their device (like with the magic mouse) and so invented an excuse for removing it, pick your favorite.

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     Warlock Of Wires (warlockofwires@techhub.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 14:24:48 JST Warlock Of Wires

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     • Teknikal_Domain

     @tek_dmn @rose frankly I'm glad they're gone because when they fail they tend to Scuttle the entire audio circuitry of a cell phone.
     Between engineering jobs I spent two years at Fry's Electronics as part of their service team and I hate it fixing jacks.

     There's no easy way as an end user to bypass a broken headphone jack auto-sensing circuitry.. tip broke off in phone. Oh well!

     Once manufacturers give us a real audio control panel then I will welcome them back..

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     CEO of Anti-Clock Society (be@floss.social)'s status on Saturday, 15-Jul-2023 03:43:12 JST CEO of Anti-Clock Society

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     @rose I think this reflects a cultural bias privileging vision over other senses. This comes out in technology in other ways, for example the resources put into photo & video software versus audio software. Or how audio quality in normative technology has decreased in the last decade (especially because of Bluetooth -- in no small part due to its forcible imposition via removing headphone jacks -- and streaming) while screens and videos keep getting more pixels shoved into them.

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