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   SpeakerToManagers (speakertomanagers@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jul-2023 20:29:57 JST SpeakerToManagers

   • Charlie Stross
   • goatsarah

   @goatsarah @cstross
   The lithium ion batteries are more concerning, the stuff is quite toxic. And they are not even recyclable batteries, they’re one time use only.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jul-2023 18:37:17 JST Charlie Stross

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     @SpeakerToManagers I notice the box itself is full of very non-recyclable plastic foam!

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     SpeakerToManagers (speakertomanagers@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jul-2023 18:37:18 JST SpeakerToManagers

     This ingenious packaging might convince you to finally recycle your batteries - Fast Company https://apple.news/Allu2IzqLQ1GAHPpoxKyubQ

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jul-2023 20:37:15 JST Charlie Stross

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     @SpeakerToManagers @goatsarah I don't trust Elon Musk on most things, but he was dead right when he pointed out that there's 20x as much elemental lithium in any lithium ion battery as there is in the highest grade lithium ore: pilot-scale car battery recycling plants exist, there's a profitable business model there in a few years.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 00:25:21 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Glen Dudek

     @glendudek @SpeakerToManagers @goatsarah Yep: and it turns out EV batteries last longer in practice than the predictions made before the cars hit the market suggested.

     So the lack of EV battery recycling to date shouldn't be too alarming—it's slow to ramp up not because it's difficult but because the supply of cells in need of recycling is still scarce.

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     Glen Dudek (glendudek@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 00:25:25 JST Glen Dudek

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     • goatsarah

     @cstross @SpeakerToManagers @goatsarah There's also a business using old electric car batteries for grid storage before recycling them: https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a43937159/b2u-company-reusing-ev-battery-packs-to-store-solar-energy/