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   Pam C (pamcrossland@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 18:23:17 JST Pam C

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   • Helen Czerski

   @helenczerski I preferred under British Rail when there were four basic return fares and two single fares.Returns there was Day return, Cheap Day return (off-peak travel), Period return (off-peak, return offpeak within a month), and Ordinary Return, Travel on any train, and return within three months on any train. Single - Peak and Off-peak).

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     Helen Czerski (helenczerski@fediscience.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 18:23:19 JST Helen Czerski

     Whoever sorts out UK train pricing needs a stern talking to. Trains should be THE default option for any intercity journey and look at the mess of the pricing: London-Newcastle, 3h journey, £190-ish. Newcastle-Edinburgh, 1.5h journey, £25-ish (advance singles). And the really stupid thing is that for the return journey going from Edinburgh-Newcastle-London, I'll just stay on the same train.

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     TinaQuilts (tinaquilts@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 18:59:58 JST TinaQuilts

     • Helen Czerski
     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah @helenczerski but if you live near the HS2 route and see the dreadful waste, cutting down trees that were well away from the route, blocking up badger setts, displacing wildlife, planting new trees then leaving them to die instead of watering them, you would be weird about HS2

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     TinaQuilts (tinaquilts@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 19:14:41 JST TinaQuilts

     • Helen Czerski
     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah @helenczerski I'm aware of the consequence of not developing mass transportation. However the management of HS2 has meant that it has been overly detrimental to the local environment. Yo me it seems that the legal framework behind it has led to very inconsiderate and destructive behaviour.
     I live right near it, it passes right by my town. It's been enormously destructive and very wasteful. It could have been managed and implemented more carefully and sensitively.

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     TinaQuilts (tinaquilts@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 19:26:17 JST TinaQuilts

     • Helen Czerski
     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah @helenczerski I don't think you quite understand my point. The project has been implemented without proper regard to the existing environment. It is arguable that it is not the solution to the transportation problems we experience here in the UK. A properly thought out, less destructive response might have been accepted. Why, for example, bother to plan thousands of replacement trees, but not organise to water and cultivate them? Simple things which would mitigate the destruction

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     TinaQuilts (tinaquilts@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 19:56:23 JST TinaQuilts

     • Helen Czerski
     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah @helenczerski
     Thank you very much for this. I get you feel angry but you do not have to adopt a patronising tone. I'm trying to point out that the project has been poorly undertaken, under a pretty terrible government. I agree we don't need more roads.

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     TinaQuilts (tinaquilts@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 20:04:35 JST TinaQuilts

     • Helen Czerski
     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah @helenczerski well thanks very much indeed for this. The 'damn railway' stops no where near where I live. I'll just walk from here to Birmingham to catch it. No problem. 40 miles.

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     TinaQuilts (tinaquilts@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 20:15:46 JST TinaQuilts

     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah there's no train station here. The nearest station is 15 miles away. When I travel intercity I have to arrange to drive there. This is my chosen method if travel whenever possible.

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     TinaQuilts (tinaquilts@mastodonapp.uk)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 20:30:32 JST TinaQuilts

     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah I am aware of this. I'm not the idiotic pro car person you assume I am. I'm enormously shocked and quite upset at your responses. That's enough now.

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     MarjorieR (marjolica@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 20:31:21 JST MarjorieR

     • Helen Czerski
     • goatsarah
     • TinaQuilts

     @goatsarah @helenczerski @tinaquilts thinking London-Edinburgh there's also the real costs of doing the trip by air (which in money terms is cheaper).
     Note our deranged gov't recently abolished the APD levy on domestic flights while elsewhere the French have banned their short haul flights.

     "Carbon emissions from UK rail travel lower than previously thought"

     https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/30/carbon-emissions-from-uk-rail-travel-lower-than-previously-thought

     "France bans short-haul flights to cut carbon emissions"

     https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65687665

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     MarjorieR (marjolica@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 22:46:55 JST MarjorieR

     in reply to

     • Helen Czerski
     • goatsarah
     • TinaQuilts

     @goatsarah @helenczerski @tinaquilts
     talking about the perceived rationale for building HS2.

     10 years or so ago I was trying (for another government department, DECC) to get DfT and HS2 to tell me how much carbon they expected HS2 to save by displacing other means of transport such as road and air. They didn't know.
     So presumably their CBA didn't account for the potential fuel savings.

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     MarjorieR (marjolica@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 22:46:57 JST MarjorieR

     • Helen Czerski
     • goatsarah
     • TinaQuilts

     @goatsarah @helenczerski @tinaquilts flying within the UK can seem cheaper and faster: if you ignore the cost and time of getting to the nearest airport and the time to check-in, load and take-off.
     Al least most train stations are in the centres of town and cities.