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   Seahorses are horses (piss_ant@spinster.xyz)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 03:32:21 JST Seahorses are horses

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   @dave An Australian was telling me today about how devastating and surreal hearing the news was
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     Ever Beedle (dave@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 13:32:49 JST Ever Beedle

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     @Piss_Ant It’s only “devastating and surreal” because he doesn’t understand what the case was about. This ruling just prevents universities from discriminating based on race.

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     leftout (leftout@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2023 02:37:25 JST leftout

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     @dave @Piss_Ant Your assumption that test scores are the determining factor is incorrect. Affirmative action reduced white applicants with inferior test scores to be admitted over people of colour with superior test scores. Even with affirmative action, it still happened, it just happened less. People of privilege and family history with a university are favoured, and they are overwhelmingly white.
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     leftout (leftout@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2023 02:37:26 JST leftout

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     @dave @Piss_Ant It achieves the opposite. It allows discrimination based on race. The ruling eliminates the requirement to systemically avoid it.
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     Ever Beedle (dave@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jul-2023 02:37:26 JST Ever Beedle

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     @leftout @Piss_Ant If whether I accept or reject someone with a particular set of test scores and academic record depends on their race, I’m discriminating on the basis of race. If it doesn’t, then I’m not. Whether you think the discrimination is justified is another matter, but it’s discrimination regardless.

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     Ever Beedle (dave@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 07-Jul-2023 23:33:34 JST Ever Beedle

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     @leftout @Piss_Ant

     You’re selecting data from one single university.

     Dude you are Canadian as fuck. “Minorities get preferential treatment in college admissions” is such a well-understood fact that you frequently see white people (and Asians) falsify their ethnicity on college and scholarship applications.

     Where is the information about legacy applicants?

     You asserted that minorities aren’t given preferential treatment in college admissions, which is patently false. Quit dodging and defend this assertion.

     I think you’ll find that afterwards Harvard is not filled with asians, like their data suggests it should be.

     Maybe, I’m certainly less confident that this assertion is wrong than I am about your first one..

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     leftout (leftout@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 07-Jul-2023 23:33:34 JST leftout

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     @dave @Piss_Ant I thought you were smart enough to understand that the people admitted to universities are not chosen based on test scores. Legacy admissions give an advantage over acceptances many times over what affirmative counter balanced.
     
     Show me the test scores of the people admitted and not just of people applying. I’m sure you understand the difference.
     
     And I’m sure you’re also aware the privileged class are specifically advantaged and have foreknowledge and tutoring to score well in entrance tests. Compare the Harvard test scores against double blind general aptitude and intelligence tests and you will see different results.
     
     Did you watch the video I linked? Beau gets what you don’t. Your motivated reasoning is working against objectivity and against your own interests should you or someone you know apply to Harvard. The black guy didn’t bump you from your spot at Harvard, 6 other legacy applicants with poorer test scores did that.
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     leftout (leftout@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 07-Jul-2023 23:33:35 JST leftout

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     @dave @Piss_Ant You’re selecting data from one single university. Where is the information about legacy applicants? Affirmative action pales in comparison.
     
     https://youtu.be/E-QDbGvVcHM
     
     I think you’ll find that afterwards Harvard is not filled with asians, like their data suggests it should be.
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     Ever Beedle (dave@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 07-Jul-2023 23:33:36 JST Ever Beedle

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     @leftout @Piss_Ant Maybe when your parents went to college. Nowadays it’s the opposite of what you claim, and has been that way for decades. That’s what the lawsuit was about.

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     Seahorses are horses (piss_ant@spinster.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 07:01:25 JST Seahorses are horses

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     @dave @leftout I don't think he's conflating. The original complaint was that Asian American students were being held to higher admission standards than white American students, at least 2 years ago when I heard about this Harvard lawsuit. I didn't really understand until much more recently that that was due to legacy admissions, not affirmative action (for white students, lol). But I genuinely think a lot of journalists and activists are doing some mixing and matching to conflate the two and try to convince people that getting rid of affirmative action, but not legacy admissions is somehow going to help Asian American applicants. It sounds like this is not the case, and I wouldn't be surprised if nothing changes about the admission standards for Asian Americans vs white Americans.
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     Ever Beedle (dave@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 07:01:26 JST Ever Beedle

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     @leftout @Piss_Ant The higher admission rates for the same test scores among Hispanics, and especially among blacks, weren’t because of legacy admissions. They were because Harvard, like many other colleges, discriminate on the basis of race. They fought for the right in court to continue to do this, that’s what the case was about, and you are conflating two separate issues here.