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   hankg (hankg@friendica.myportal.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Jul-2023 22:47:08 JST hankg
   The "Tesla EV charger" was submitted and accepted as the "North American Charging Standard" (NCAS). Now that it is a standard everyone is starting to use it. So why is the MSM and tech press covering it as "So and so is adopting the Tesla Charger" instead of "So and so is adopting the National Charging Standard"? Have they not done enough Tesla/Musk sycophancy to date or something? #tesla #ElonMusk #NCAS #EV
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     intermobility_berlin 🌻🇪🇺 (intermobility@toot.community)'s status on Sunday, 02-Jul-2023 22:56:02 JST intermobility_berlin 🌻🇪🇺

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     @hankg It’s a matter of getting used to. If you refer to „Tesla Charger“, everybody knows what you mean. NCAS doesn’t mean much to most people, yet. The same happened in Europe after standardization of „Type 2“: People continued referring to the standard as „the Mennekes plug“. There’s nothing wrong with it, as far as I’m concerned. Language will change over time, whether you fret about it or not.

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     hankg (hankg@friendica.myportal.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Jul-2023 23:01:51 JST hankg

     • goatsarah
     @goatsarah It could be. I don't really follow EV tech/industry that closely. My frustration with this is covering with the perpetual coverage of this in MSM and main stream tech press.
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     intermobility_berlin 🌻🇪🇺 (intermobility@toot.community)'s status on Sunday, 02-Jul-2023 23:10:43 JST intermobility_berlin 🌻🇪🇺

     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah @hankg I agree but that’s a totally different debate (was NACS a wise choice?), and „elsewhere“ in this case means overseas, no less. When was the last time you took your car across the ocean?

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     intermobility_berlin 🌻🇪🇺 (intermobility@toot.community)'s status on Sunday, 02-Jul-2023 23:23:58 JST intermobility_berlin 🌻🇪🇺

     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah @hankg No worries. Spain may seem like politically a different continent from UK perspective, but geographically you’re not leaving Europe. You charge port that works in Portsmouth will work in Bilbao just fine.

     You see, for Americans the distinction is natural. Before the standardization and NACS naming, how would you call the plug that is not CCS and is used by Tesla superchargers in all of North America, if not „Tesla plug“?

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     Reach for the Stars :verified: (antares@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jul-2023 00:30:03 JST Reach for the Stars :verified:

     • goatsarah

     @goatsarah There are a number of factors:

     - US residential electric service is lower power compared to most of the world (single phase - 210v) so the advantages of CSS2 for high voltage 3-pahse AC charging don't apply here.

     - Tesla has 3 times more deployed infrastructure than all the CSS providers combined.

     - The US adopted CSS 1 so there is not even compatibility with EU supply chains.

     - Aside from Tesla, the EV charge providers are mostly paid to *install* chargers through court settlements and government grants. Selling electricity is not subsidized and low margin. The end result is that CSS chargers get installed, but not maintained. Non-NACS chargers now have a reputation for being persistently broken.

     - In the same light, NACS ties payment to an account associated with the car. If the car has a valid account it is plug and play. CSS still has a pay-at-the-pump model which you would think would woke fine like it does at gas stations, but CSS chargers don't require an on-site attendant as backup and payment processing has a reputation of being cumbersome and spotty. Even if the charger is working, you might not be able to get the payment to go through.