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   Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jul-2023 20:50:35 JST Aral Balkan

   Late-stage capitalism? That was last week. Welcome to extinction-stage capitalism.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 02:29:48 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Timo Tiuraniemi
     • yianiris

     @yianiris The only alternative? Citation needed, me thinks :)

     @ttiurani

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     yianiris (yianiris@kafeneio.social)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 02:29:49 JST yianiris

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     • Timo Tiuraniemi

     The only alternative to capitalism is #communism (a system of collective relations) and this alternative seems to have only materialized in #zapatista #Autonomous
     communities in the past 30y and 2 days. Possibly in small pre-industrial communities of hunter-gatherers.

     Everywhere else exchange relationships are the system, and before that there was no-economic-system.

     The political system is one of a forced inequality (economic, social, political)

     @ttiurani @aral

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     Timo Tiuraniemi (ttiurani@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 02:29:50 JST Timo Tiuraniemi

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     @aral We're going to hear capitalism is the "worst economic system, except for all the others" from the people on the winning side of global exploitation and destruction until there are are no more people to exploit and nature to destroy.

     That is, unless we get them to admit they actually know of only a couple of alternatives and that there is no limit to the different ways we could structure our economy if we just used our imagination.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 22:16:13 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Timo Tiuraniemi
     • yianiris

     @yianiris @ttiurani Tina? Thatcher would be proud but I don’t think so.

     https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=31888

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     yianiris (yianiris@kafeneio.social)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 22:16:14 JST yianiris

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     • Timo Tiuraniemi

     there hasn't been an alternative economic system, really.

     @aral @ttiurani

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 21:05:40 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Jones

     @jones Yeah, but we didn’t have the technological ability to bring it about for our species until fairly recently.

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     Jones (jones@graeber.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 21:05:42 JST Jones

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     @aral the way i see it, capitalism has *always* been decimation/exitinction stage.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 22:25:31 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Jones

     @jones I like the sound of “anarchic international.” I’d naïvely believed that’s what Diem25’s “progressive international” meant until I realised it meant “traditional socialist international” (which is assistant a *very* different thing and, no thank you, I’m not a fan of hierarchies regardless) and a little “cult of Julian Assange.”

     Bookmarked to read properly when I get a moment :)

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     Jones (jones@graeber.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 22:25:43 JST Jones

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     @aral
     It would "just" take an International to do it, something like this (sorry it's quite an old writing, i'd like to update it and make it clearer and less "ironic" in some parts): https://bu.noblogs.org/for-an-anarchic-international/ 🙂 (2/2)

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     Jones (jones@graeber.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 22:25:50 JST Jones

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     @aral yes, and we also didn't have the technological ability to solve the decimation/extinction problem itself, on its ecological level; and that same technological ability, and its much easier developments, would be of great help with a world finally liberated from capitalism: an anarcho-communist, or socialist-libertarian (as you like it more) world where, in addition to all the other, there would be no patents, no industrial secrets, no secret scientific and humanist knowledge. (1/2)