It's not a mystery it's just something I reject because insufficient and incoherent, especially in these spaces. You guys are all nationalists who put personal love for family and race above altruistic love for a stranger and then you go and invert this order for God and make altruitic love for something completely unlike yourself the highest form of love in the cosmos, and somehow this incoherence does not bother you?
you also said he doesnt need us, and then you said He loves us. why would God love something He doesn't need? this is altruism. But God tells us He is Our Father, and Fathers do not love altruistically, but personally. So there is contradiction in your statements.
@SKracket@mushroom_soup@Gloifleg@Hyperhidrosis I FEAR THAT IF LOVING SOMETHING YOU DON'T NEED IS A MYSTERY TO YOU, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHY GOD DOES IT EITHER. I DONT KNOW ABOUT ALTRUISM VS PERSONAL LOVE BECAUSE I NEVER HAD A LOVE EDUCATION TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN ALL THE TYPES I SEE NO CONTRADICTION
@SKracket@mushroom_soup@Gloifleg@Hyperhidrosis THE SOURCE OF THESE THINGS IS GOD TO SEEK THESE THINGS IS TO ORIENT YOUR WILL TO HIS, IN OTHER WORDS TO REPENT I AM NOT ACQUAINTED WITH MAINSTREAM METAPHYSICS NOR WITH THE PLATONIC STUFF THE WESTERN CHURCH HAS BEEN UP TO IN THE LAST THOUSAND YEARS OR SO
i mean for someone who's not acquainted you're doing a good job repeating it. repenting as the meaning of life makes the motivation for life negative. did God really create man only so that man could repent? There needs to be a positive meaning for life, God must need us to do something. Else, why exist?
@SKracket@mushroom_soup@Gloifleg@Hyperhidrosis INDEED, AND I SAID AS MUCH GOD NEEDS US TO GROW IN COMMUNION WITH HIM, TO GROW CLOSER TO HIM AND BECOME MORE LIKE HIM HE WILLS SO, WHICH IS WHY REPENTANCE ACHIEVES THAT THAT WAS THE CHARGE EVEN BEFORE THE FALL IN THE GARDEN -- TO ORDER CREATION AND TO FILL IT WITH LIFE, AS GOD HAD DONE WHEN THE WORLD WAS FORMLESS AND VOID MINI VERSIONS OF GOD
the belief that God doesnt need or desire anything and is totally self sufficing, but then arbitrarily decided to make man so He could do something that He doesn't need or desire is contradictory
@SKracket@mushroom_soup@Gloifleg@Hyperhidrosis IF YOU CANT MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF IT -- TAKE IT UP WITH HIM NOT ME I MAY WELL NOT HAVE EXPLAINED IT WELL ENOUGH FOR YOU THE MEANING OF LIFE IS TO REPENT TO REORIENT YOUR WILL BACK TOWARD GOD AND THEN TO DRAW EVER CLOSER NEAR TO HIM INSODOING YOU WILL FIND BOTH A MORE SATISFACTORY ANSWER THAN ONE I GAVE, WILL FULFIL YOUR PURPOSE AS A CREATURE, AND ACHIEVE PERFECTION AND FULL DEVELOPMENT OF YOURSELF
the meaning of life is not to repent, the meaning of life is to seek eternal life, to love, and to have it more abundantly. you're not explaining things poorly, you're repeating mainstream metaphysics. it's just that mainstream Christian metaphysics is tryingto square the circle of Christ and the platonic ideal of abstract perfection
@Hyperhidrosis@Gloifleg@mushroom_soup THATS NO EXPLANATION FOR ANYTHING GOD DOESN'T NEED YOU OR ME GOD DOESN'T NEED THE REST OF CREATION ANY SORT OF POWER AND AUTHORITY IS INHERENTLY DELEGATED FROM GOD THE FATHER OUT OF GOOD WILL HE MAKES HIS SERVANTS SPIRITS, HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE HE DELEGATES SOME OF HIS POWERS TO CREATED BEINGS BECAUSE HE LOVES THEM AND ENJOYS COMMUNION WITH THEM HUMANITY ITSELF HAS THE MISSION AND POWER THAT IS A SMALL VERSION OF WHAT GOD DOES -- TO PUT CREATION IN ORDER AND TO FILL IT WITH LIFE FORMLESS AND VOID TO GARDEN OF EDEN
I've got all of poa.st defederated, but what weeb said is important in the following regard:
we are living in the end times, (true) your soul lives on for countless centuries (true) would you gamble on being on the wrong end of things, or just surrender yourself to Yeshua and YHVH (our heavenly father), give over your heart, pray, ask for forgiveness (repent) for previous deeds known wrong, and hope to be guided (faith) in their ENDLESS loving mercy, blessings and forgiveness?
for many, they're unable to surrender their EGO, a simple thing really, just admit you screwed up, and want to be forgiven, it's no harder than apologizing to someone, but in this case you're addressing reverently God, and his only begotten son, (you wont screw it up, just be sincere, honest and true), and go from there.
@MeBigbrain@Zerglingman@mushroom_soup@Gloifleg@SKracket@Hyperhidrosis GOD FORBID ANY OF YOU DINGUSES FOLLOW ME WHEN YOU SHOULD BE FOLLOWING GOD IF YOU FOLLOW ME YOU'LL FAIL LIKE ME IM POINTING TO GOD RIGHT NOW AND THIS APPLIES TO ALL PASTORAL CARE YOUR PASTORS ARE ICONS OF GOD, NOT IDOLS OF HIM DO NOT MAKE AN IDOL OUT OF YOUR PRIEST
@nugger@mushroom_soup@Gloifleg@Zerglingman@SKracket@MeBigbrain@Hyperhidrosis People hang onto what you say because likely they haven't heard any such things literally ever before. What you say about religion does affect people on fedi. That is a responsibility that you may not like, but it also is an opportunity. You can lead people to Christ by your posts.