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   feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 06:52:52 JST feld

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   • Lord
   • aboxofsox 🧙‍♂️
   Federation is an XMPP *feature* not a _requirement_ for it to be a successful protocol that allows building services that make peoples' lives better (or corporations tons of money). This is really no different than the XEPs not all being implemented everywhere.
   
   XMPP is insanely successful, just not in the way that makes you happiest.
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     Lord (lord@pleroma.lord.re)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 06:53:01 JST Lord

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     • aboxofsox 🧙‍♂️

     @aboxofsox And yet, none of those services can work with the others.

     Who cares that’s xmpp if you can’t use the server of your choice, to connect with the client of your choice to speak to any other user of xmpp ? It could be any protocol that wouldn’t be different.

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     aboxofsox 🧙‍♂️ (aboxofsox@indieweb.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 06:53:06 JST aboxofsox 🧙‍♂️

     I'm not sure if I buy the whole #meta #facebook killed #xmpp. I've seen several services, with large user bases, using xmpp, or some abstraction of the same protocol. I don't think the concerns are invalid, I just think there's a bit more to it.