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   sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 03:57:51 JST sj_zero
   A lot of people only know cherry picked bible passages. They know one bit of Leviticus, but they don't know that Leviticus is part of the Torah, one of the books of the Hebrew bible. They don't realize that Christianity is an extension of Judaism that had profound effects on the faith, including fundamentally changing the way earlier books need to be interpreted. They also don't realize that Islam is a third redefinition of Judaism, and unlike Christianity which modified but fundamentally accepted previous works, Islam believes their new prophet has provided them with an all new, all perfect, all overriding prophecy that must be directly, completely, and literally obeyed. Therefore people try to use Judaism or Christianity to convince Muslims on theological matters which doesn't work at all.
   
   If you didn't realize these things, then you might think each faith is hypocritical because they don't all follow Judaism exactly, where each faith may have a common basis but fundamentally diverges thus leading to much different conclusions.
   
   I must admit, it's only recently that I've come to understand my own ignorance of all 3 faiths. Thinking I'd learned everything there was to know through cultural osmosis, I've now been on a slow march down Dunning-Krueger hill.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 03:57:46 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     The Bible proceeds the Torah. If I recall the first written record of the Torah, other than the dead sea scrolls, is circa 800AD. The discovery of the dead sea scrolls is highly suspect, and those portions that have escaped Israeli control have proven to have been fabricated forgeries that were made to look older than they actually were. But if you want to believe that an oral Torah was passed down nearly verbatim over a thousand years, I guess you can do that.
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     Chet (chet@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 04:07:40 JST Chet

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     Can't wait for the replies.... I don't think SJ understands what they stepped into.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 04:07:40 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     If @Xenophon sees this....
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 04:54:47 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/museum-of-the-bible-dead-sea-scrolls-forgeries
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     Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 04:54:48 JST Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits

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     i have never heard this claim about the DSS. have any sources?
     
     As for the Torah, yeah, it's garbage. The existence of the LXX allows us to see places that were clearly changed. The fact that almost all modern bibles are based of Masoretic translations is a complete joke. As a simple example of the lunacy, the correct timeline from Adam is about 7500 years before present, where the Masoretic places it at 6000. This greatly augments things like Noahs flood, and who was alive to see how many generations of offspring. It also directly contradicts known things events like the creation of the pyramids (the flood wasn't global so whatever) so for people who think the flood was global (again, it wasn't) it makes them look foolish.
     
     tl:dr, jews are Satan, they lie, don't ever trust them.
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     Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 05:52:33 JST Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits

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     It appears to be saying these specific DSS fragments are forgeries, not that the DSS themselves are.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 05:52:33 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Of course they are. 😒
     
     The dead sea scrolls are propoganda created to justify the existence of Israel and their land claims. Simple as.
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     Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 06:35:08 JST Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits

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     how? they didn't write them.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 06:35:08 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     They were fabricated in the 20th century. Israel then claimed to have discovered them in 1946. Very convenient.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 08:09:26 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Hyolobrika
     The writings match nearly perfectly. Show me a culture that had a written history, lost it, passed it orally, and then rewrote the exact words 1000 years later. I'll wait here for you to establish a miracle game of telephone.
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     hyolobrika@berserker.town's status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 08:09:27 JST Hyolobrika

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     >But if you want to believe that an oral Torah was passed down nearly verbatim over a thousand years, I guess you can do that.
     That's not that unbelievable. Many cultures are entirely oral. Written cultures build on top of an oral past.
     @sj_zero

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 08:23:00 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • errante
     The books it does contain are imperfect translations. If it was the source for the translations back into Hebrew, it's another miracle.
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     errante (errante@rot.gives)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 08:23:01 JST errante

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     @Humpleupagus @sj_zero what about the septuagint?
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 08:24:08 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     The books it does contain are imperfect translations. If it was the source for the translations back into Hebrew, it's another miracle.
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     errante (errante@rot.gives)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 08:24:09 JST errante

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     @Humpleupagus @sj_zero for reference: the septuagint is a 300BCE greek translation of the torah, and is quoted *in the new testament bible*
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 08:29:31 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • errante
     You're talking about the Torah, and I'm talking about the Torah. We are not the same. Please produce a copy of your Torah that was in existence before 800AD or so. The only one I know of was not penned until after the Bible.
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     errante (errante@rot.gives)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 08:29:32 JST errante

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     @Humpleupagus @sj_zero oh, i misread as oreceeds. forgive me. im tired
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     errante (errante@rot.gives)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 08:29:33 JST errante

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     @Humpleupagus @sj_zero ah, i didnt read the full context :akaneshrug:
     
     oresumably, a biblical hebrew source for the septuagint did exist at some point, and scholarship estimates a lost source at around 400BCE. maybe we'll have a nag hammadi moment
     
     saying 'the bible proceeds the torah' is just plain wrong though