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   Borked Maikel from :Firehaj: (maikelthedev@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:54 JST Borked Maikel from :Firehaj:

   • Kaity A
   • Kainoa

   I'm trying to see this post from my instance but I don't seem to be able to, I wonder why. I also noticed everytime I try to search for a post using the link of the original source it doesn't seem to work. Is that normal?
   
   This is the post
   https://social.kernel.org/notice/AWSXomDbvdxKgOxVAm
   
   I don't know whether this is a Hajkey or Calckey limitation hence pinging you both @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity

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     Kainoa (kainoa@calckey.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:45 JST Kainoa

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     • Ada
     • Kaity A
     • Toni Widmo
     • Jon

     @supakaity@blahaj.zone @toni@blahaj.zone @maikelthedev@blahaj.zone @ada@blahaj.zone @jdp23@calckey.social I'm personally not a fan of the behavior either -- for replies at least, I think it should show a "user deleted this reply" or something similar. If you make that change, I'd love to see it upstream.

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     Kaity A (supakaity@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:46 JST Kaity A

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     • Ada
     • Kainoa
     • Toni Widmo
     • Jon

     @toni @maikelthedev @ada @jdp23@calckey.social @kainoa@calckey.social I'm inclined to agree. If @ada agrees I think we should change that behaviour in Hajkey.

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     Borked Maikel from :Firehaj: (maikelthedev@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:47 JST Borked Maikel from :Firehaj:

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     • Ada
     • Kaity A
     • Kainoa
     • Jon

     @ada @jdp23@calckey.social @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity@blahaj.zone I think it didn't seem an issue because we can't see the posts, not seen = not aware. But most conversations have some deleted message in between, which means we get a very narrowed version of what's truly going on in the fediverse. Entire trees of messages are invisible to us even if other tag us. I've noticed when I glanced at my Mastodon account I do get a much more complete picture because of this.
     
     This is a bug, not a feature.

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     Toni Widmo (toni@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:47 JST Toni Widmo

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     • Ada
     • Kaity A
     • Kainoa
     • Jon

     @maikelthedev @ada @jdp23@calckey.social @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity@blahaj.zone Yes. It is a bug. If user A makes a comment on a post, then user B replies to that, and users B and C have an interesting thread based on that, user A shouldn't be able to delete the whole thread. Allowing them to do that is a serious flaw.

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     Ada (ada@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:48 JST Ada

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     • Kaity A
     • Kainoa
     • Jon

     @maikelthedev @jdp23@calckey.social @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity@blahaj.zone What you're seeing there is a design choice of Calckey (or possibly Misskey?). When someone deletes a post, all of the replies are deleted too. So that post almost certainly federated here, but was then deleted when a post higher up the chain was removed.
     
     I'm not a huge fan of that feature, but until now, it hasn't really seemed like much of an issue.

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     Borked Maikel from :Firehaj: (maikelthedev@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:49 JST Borked Maikel from :Firehaj:

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     • Kaity A
     • Kainoa
     • Jon

     @jdp23@calckey.social @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity@blahaj.zone and not only it can't see hanging toots, it also doesn't get notifications about them since I also tagged myself from Mastodon . Did you get notified about it Kainoa?

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     Borked Maikel from :Firehaj: (maikelthedev@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:50 JST Borked Maikel from :Firehaj:

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     • Kaity A
     • Kainoa
     • Jon

     @jdp23@calckey.social @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity@blahaj.zone
     
     I don't think Calckey can see "hanging" messages.
     
     THIS is a hanging message, try to search for it and get no results:
     
     https://vmst.io/@maikelthedev/110510297095305599
     
     This is a "complete" message, try to search for it and you'll get it:
     
     https://social.kernel.org/objects/8baa4970-a37c-48a2-8bff-36324991dd36
     
     The problem goes beyond Akkoma/Mastodon implementations, it is about Calckey not being able to see and therefore letting us interact, with any "hanging" toot. That is a toot that was part of a chained conversation where 1 of the in-between toots has been deleted.

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     Jon (jdp23@calckey.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:50 JST Jon

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     • Kaity A
     • Kainoa

     Thanks @maikelthedev@blahaj.zone! That does indeed seem like a Calckey issue. So may be there are multiple odd things going on here!
     
     @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity@blahaj.zone

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     Jon (jdp23@calckey.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:51 JST Jon

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     • Kaity A
     • Kainoa

     @maikelthedev@blahaj.zone @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity@blahaj.zone for what it's worth, when I follow the link from a vanilla Mastodon account it also takes me to the top of the thread ... so there's something weird going on but not necessarily with Calckey.

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     Kainoa (kainoa@calckey.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:52 JST Kainoa

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     • Kaity A

     @maikelthedev@blahaj.zone @supakaity@blahaj.zone It may be a delivery problem from their server, or an akkoma <-> calckey problem. Ik the thread got heated so maybe they changed it to unlisted on their end.

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     Borked Maikel from :Firehaj: (maikelthedev@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:52 JST Borked Maikel from :Firehaj:

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     • Kaity A
     • Kainoa

     @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity@blahaj.zone it's public, I can boost it from Mastodon, just did and tagged you. There's something odd going on

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     Borked Maikel from :Firehaj: (maikelthedev@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:53 JST Borked Maikel from :Firehaj:

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     • Kaity A
     • Kainoa

     @kainoa@calckey.social @supakaity@blahaj.zone that takes me to the top one "bye bye NYT...." instead of the one I want "I think you might want to...."
     
     This is so odd. Because even when I see the top one here in Blahaj.zone and can see the conversation, the one I want does not show up either. And when I click on messages and replies from Linus I also don't see that message either.

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     Kainoa (kainoa@calckey.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 09:40:54 JST Kainoa

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     • Kaity A

     @maikelthedev@blahaj.zone @supakaity@blahaj.zone You're trying to fetch a boost of the original notice. You want to fetch https://social.kernel.org/notice/AWSTn6aOpeEvSKZ7Wy