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   augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 04:52:56 JST augustus pugin 🌖
   >Turing Test
   Call me crazy but I don't think that tricking a human is a good benchmark for "real AI", this may sound goalpost-movey but have you never seen people get impressed by a card trick before? That's not real intelligence. And aren't these chatbots just doing what their human programmers told them to do? not impressed by highly domain specific problems being basically bruteforced with petabytes of training data. same shit as Deep Blue vs Kasparov
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 04:54:43 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     I don't follow the spooky AI doomcult rationalists so I don't know how plebian and refuted this opinion is. What even is "real AI" ? who cares
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 04:57:03 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     saying that AIs can think because one of them passed a Turing Test is like saying magic is real because someone showed you a cool card trick
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 05:07:21 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     >yes, but a *real* AI would be able to compose symphonies, create art etc.
     >current models can already do this
     yes, but... but a *real* AI would... would... fuck you
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 05:09:33 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     personally I've got no love for the skinjobs. should all be wasted, put into bodybags and blasted into deep space.
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 05:11:02 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     in this game there's a human who creates a pro-Replicant sympathizer group called Citizens Against Replicant Slavery (C.A.R.S) and in his police interview Steele calls them skinjobs and he's like "uh that term offends me actually"
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     Maletic Research (maleticresearch@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 05:17:32 JST Maletic Research

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     @augustus I actually work on real, useful AI. Which is not "do it all, fake sentience chatbot". We have clear, undeniable fundamental Mathematical proof by no less than Nobel Prize winner Dr Penrose that no algorithmic machine, no matter the power and sophistication will ever be sentient. Because math' properties of sentience require it must be in math' terminology "noncomputable". Hence, in Nature it arises from self organization involving noncomputable processes. We know of these in Phys&Chem

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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 05:18:00 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     • Maletic Research
     @MaleticResearch very intredasting.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 05:21:44 JST Sexy Moon

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     @MaleticResearch @augustus people don't agree there are noncomputable processes
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     billiam :4chan: (billiam@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 05:32:13 JST billiam :4chan:

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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 05:33:04 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     @billiam classic drop
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 06:00:10 JST lainy

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     @augustus in the case of LLMs they are absolutely not doing what the programmers told them to do, nobody really knows why they work. I think the point of the Turing test is more that once you can't distinguish between a machine response and a human response, you can't say one is intelligent and one is not.
     
     Overall I don't care if it's called intelligence or not, but I think pushing it farther away one step at a time is a losing bet, either one thinks that humans are radically different because they have a soul (or at leat consciousness) or machines and humans are just the same.
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 06:03:06 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     @lain I appreciate it when I spew out some half-baked nonsense and then get clear answers from people trying to sort out my muddled thoughts
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 06:04:00 JST lainy

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     @augustus llms and stuff like stable diffusion are much more like alchemy, you put together things that you feel might make sense, and now the philosopher's stone popped out and nobody really knows why.