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   fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:16:56 JST fu

   • roland

   @kromonos @roland more reasons the EU sucks, THANKS!

   In the real world, negative rights don't exist & one's rights ends when they begin to infringe on someone else's.

   If I did give a care about government edicts, wouldn't a screen shot be equally in violation than creating a useful archive?

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     roland (roland@f.haeder.net)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 03:10:15 JST roland

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     @Ji Fu I see also in such a way like you. In the end, you have published it.

     And now it should go away again, because of whatever? The same applies of course the other way around, think @kromonos think about what those who have bullied and stalked you will do if they could actually delete it and there is no #WaybackMachine ... Nobody would be able to prove it to them and they would be able to against you that you are just making it up. With web.archive.org it looks different. I don't want to go into the question, whether courts recognize this, I do not care. The Internet users must take more take more responsibility, so only write publicly/in the Internet what should be what should be public and not to revise it afterwards. and not revise it later. It is good that there is the Wayback-Machine and that and that it does not listen to #NetzDG and "right to be forgotten". Too many censorship rumors would come up then.

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     fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 03:10:16 JST fu

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     • roland
     @roland @kromonos hmmm...perhaps it's time to start using #fedilab again for built in translation
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     roland (roland@f.haeder.net)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 03:10:18 JST roland

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     @fu Sehe ich auch so wie du. Schlussendlich hast du es ja veroeffentlicht. Und nun soll es wieder weg, wegen was auch immer? Das gleiche gilt natuerlich auch andersrum, ueberlege dir @kromonos mal was wohl diejenigen machen werden, die dich gemobbt und gestalkt haben, wenn sie es tatsaechlich loeschen koennten und es keine #WaybackMachine gebe ... Niemand koennte es denen mehr nachweisen und die koennten munter gegen dich behaupten, du denkst dir das alles nur aus. Mit web.archive.org sieht das anders aus. Ich will nicht darauf eingehen, ob Gerichte dies anerkennen, das ist mir egal. Die Internetnutzer muessen mehr Eigenverantwortung uebernehmen, also nur das oeffentlich schreiben/in's Internet einstellen, was auch oeffentlich sein soll und nicht nachher doch revidieren. Es ist gut, dass es die Wayback-Machine gibt und dass sie nicht auf #NetzDG und "Recht auf Vergessen" hoert. Zu viele Zensurgelueste kaemen dann hoch.
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     fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 03:13:30 JST fu

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     • roland

     @roland @kromonos @kromonos yep! I do despise #survailienceCapitalism and I am glad that social media platforms like Facebook didn't exist when I was a teenager.

     I would hope all parents taught their kids that anything you post on the internet is forever, so always assuem every potential employer/significant Other/government in the world will see it. But I am sure that's more hard for the public school kids than for our students.