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   Ulrich_the_Elder (ulrich_the_elder@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-May-2023 11:54:01 JST Ulrich_the_Elder

   • Luci for Chai Tea

   @zens Is lying ever ethical? Is that your question????? Yes lying is bad. It is a thing that bad evil people do.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 14-May-2023 11:54:01 JST clacke

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     • Luci for Chai Tea
     @Ulrich_the_Elder @zens Lying to a murderer about the whereabouts of the person they want to murder seems like a good thing.
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     Ulrich_the_Elder (ulrich_the_elder@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-May-2023 15:56:37 JST Ulrich_the_Elder

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     @clacke @zens Yes we can all invent hypothetical situations to justify the point we are trying to make.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 14-May-2023 15:56:37 JST clacke

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     @Ulrich_the_Elder @zens Ethical lying happens all the time in an imperfect world: people lying about their sexual orientation or gender to avoid losing their job or life, people lying about having a partner because it deters some of the harassers, people lying on overly inquisitive registration forms to protect their privacy ...

     Using a crystal clear example (not hypothetical, it happens every day in some parts of the world) just makes it obvious that there is a line to be drawn and that "lying is categorically evil" is the extreme position.