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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 00:16:53 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   Holy fuck that was something.... After 24 hours or so of being bombed one targeted my neighboorhood just now and the local sirens went off. I had to run to the bomb shelter. After a minute or two I heard the explosion overhead. Luckily I dont think it landed, it probably exploded in the air.. but damn.

   #Israel

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 00:16:48 JST feld

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     How were the Allies wrong to oppose the Axis in WW2?
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     :cate: This is Mur :scremcat: (mur2501@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 00:16:50 JST :cate: This is Mur :scremcat:

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     Has there been any war where anyone side have been absolutely right?

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     @mur2501 Thats a very very complex answer. Both sides are wrong and should be ashamed in this case for countless reasons.

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     So what are your opinions on the conflict?

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 00:49:55 JST feld

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     > You see some of the allies until and before that time were sitting on a large number of colonies which they ruled brutally.
     
     What does that have to do with their reasons for entering the war?
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     @feld @freemo
     Absolutely wrong? NO!!
     Absolutely right? also no.
     Especially when seen from perspective outside of the allies and axis in that time.
     You see some of the allies until and before that time were sitting on a large number of colonies which they ruled brutally.
     So from the perspective of the people of the colonies both aren't that different. One wants to rule them, the other is ruling them since hundred or more years.
     This is not about justifying ideologies or actions, it's more looking at how much in mud one is

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 00:55:50 JST feld

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     I'm not sure any government has ever existed and not done horrific atrocities to people, but entering WW2 on the Allies side was absolutely righteous
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     :cate: This is Mur :scremcat: (mur2501@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 00:55:51 JST :cate: This is Mur :scremcat:

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     @feld @freemo
     reasons were not bad, just the one saying those reasons had a sketchy history so that ultimately put doubts on the reasons

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:03:43 JST feld

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     Ok, I'll bite: what did the Americans have to gain by joining?
     
     Let me guess: it was a selfish act to preserve their own economy by protecting trade relations with western Europe. Nothing else was a concern.
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     :cate: This is Mur :scremcat: (mur2501@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:03:44 JST :cate: This is Mur :scremcat:

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     @feld @freemo
     Countries enter the side where they have gains, cause as you said: no government exists which hasn't done horrific atrocities.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:07:05 JST feld

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     UN didn't even exist until 26 June 1945, a month after the Germans surrendered
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:07:06 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @feld

     While im not sure we had the foresight to see this, to be fair we gained a LOT from WWII... it is the means by which we managed to control the UN and, along with a small handful of other countries, have complete unilateral global control over nuclear weapons.

     @mur2501

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:10:18 JST feld

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     Well also it brought us to Bretton Woods and the dollar becoming the world reserve currency because the GBP was severely weakened from the war. They had to print money to fund the war and the pound lost its peg.
     
     Though we probably would have done the same thing even if we sat back and watched the war from a distance (in an imaginary scenario where Allies prevailed without USA)
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     @feld

     I am aware, thus why i said im not sure if we had the foresight to know if it would play out that way, or how early on the US planned to attempt to form the UN.

     @mur2501

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:13:29 JST feld

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     Doesn't hurt that we held everyone's gold in the NY FED either. If I recall correctly, everyone moved their gold to the UK and then UK to NY as that was safest path to avoid U-Boats
     
     Either way it made it to NY for us to protect, and I suspect we used that as leverage to get everyone to do what we wanted
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:15:30 JST feld

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     I don't believe the USA planned on entering the western theater of the war at all. Germany declared war on USA after USA declared war on Japan, so we kinda had to
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     @feld
     Well the United States of America had no intentions of entering the war, atleast until a tiny asian country came and blew up a whole fleet of ships in Pearl Harbor.

     Also while the UN didn't existed then but League of Nations did, which is a predecessor to UN.
     @freemo

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:31:18 JST feld

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     Current estimate for USA in Afghanistan is $8T. How did we make more than $8T off the war?
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     @freemo
     and in case of Afghanistan both parties made good profits :P

     @feld

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     @mur2501

     Wars can be hugely profitable... if you win :)

     @feld

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     :cate: This is Mur :scremcat: (mur2501@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:31:21 JST :cate: This is Mur :scremcat:

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     @feld
     Yeah and that's the point. No one entered war cause it was the righteous thing to do.
     Either you had a gain in it, or you were dragged into it.

     Also simple economics, When others do war it is profitable for you (you can sell weapon and stuffs to them). When you get yourself into a war, obviously it's not much profitable.
     @freemo

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:34:33 JST feld

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     Sure, some in private industry profited, but all of America suffers under the weight of that immense debt now.
     
     It was not a net gain for America at all.
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     :cate: This is Mur :scremcat: (mur2501@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:34:34 JST :cate: This is Mur :scremcat:

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     @feld @freemo
     Well the profit is for the companies who build weapons, equipments and all the military and other stuffs :)

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 13-May-2023 01:42:26 JST feld

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     I find this to be sad reductive reasoning, tbh
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     @feld @freemo
     Well it was a net gain for the people who make the decisions of the war.