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   Paul Ganssle (pganssle@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:16:55 JST Paul Ganssle
   Step 5/7 : RUN python3 -m pip install . ---> Running in 31b96e802fdb/usr/bin/python3: No module named pip

   Hmm.. So #fedora also ships a crippled thing that is not #python when you dnf install python3.

   I was hoping that that was a reasonable alternative to Debian/Ubuntu ☹

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:16:45 JST feld

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:
     Didn't they remove pip intentionally because it breaks other packaged python stuff when you install python packages globally from pip? That's what PEP-668 was about.
     
     https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/python-pip/-/blob/master/debian/NEWS
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     Adam Williamson :fedora: (adamw@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:16:48 JST Adam Williamson :fedora:

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     @pganssle pip is not part of python. There is no reason it should be bundled together in the core python package.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:19:13 JST feld

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     • Miroslav Suchý
     • Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸
     • Adam Williamson :fedora:
     • Thomas Wouters
     This change may hit Fedora too
     
     https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PythonMarkExternallyManaged
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     Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸 (kushal@toots.dgplug.org)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:19:15 JST Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸

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     • Miroslav Suchý
     • Adam Williamson :fedora:
     • Thomas Wouters

     @mirek

     On a different note, I count Fedora as the best distrition for developers. I hope it stays in that way.

     @Yhg1s @adamw @pganssle

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     Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸 (kushal@toots.dgplug.org)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:19:16 JST Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸

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     • Miroslav Suchý
     • Adam Williamson :fedora:
     • Thomas Wouters

     @mirek

     Then those containers should not have Python at all. If we have Python then it should be proper Python.

     @Yhg1s @adamw @pganssle

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     Miroslav Suchý (mirek@rodina-sucha.cz)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:19:18 JST Miroslav Suchý

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:
     • Thomas Wouters

     @Yhg1s @adamw @pganssle because container people then complains that containers are bloated.

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     Thomas Wouters (yhg1s@social.coop)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:19:24 JST Thomas Wouters

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     • Adam Williamson :fedora:

     @adamw @pganssle "make install" from the CPython source will install it. Why should it not be part of a binary python package?

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:44:12 JST feld

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     • Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸
     Are you implying that the Debian folks didn't? This change is being encouraged by upstream Python
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     Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸 (kushal@toots.dgplug.org)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:44:14 JST Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸

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     • feld

     @feld this also shows why fedora is great as people here really work with upstream.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:54:03 JST feld

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     • Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸
     Is there a major OS that doesn't work with upstream Python?
     
     Debian does
     Fedora does
     FreeBSD does (and contributed some massive performance improvements last few years)
     
     Just curious
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     Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸 (kushal@toots.dgplug.org)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 04:54:04 JST Kushal Das :python: :tor: 🇵🇸

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     • feld

     @feld I read what I wrote and did not see the word Debian in that sentence.