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    Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 16:21:50 JST Aurynn Shaw Aurynn Shaw
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    All of these “defederation is bad” takes are, in essence, saying that instance administrators exist to be vanity domain names and that a single contiguous fediverse is both possible and desired.

    I reject both of these premises. Defederate early, defederate often, build the anarchic consensus you want to see.

    In conversation Sunday, 07-May-2023 16:21:50 JST from cloudisland.nz permalink
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      Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 16:21:51 JST Aurynn Shaw Aurynn Shaw
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      This post brought to you by me rolling my eyes super hard at the "oh no defederation is bad for the fediverse" bad takes showing up again

      In conversation Sunday, 07-May-2023 16:21:51 JST permalink
      pettter repeated this.
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      Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 16:21:53 JST Aurynn Shaw Aurynn Shaw

      "Oh no it's bad that people defederate servers"

      No it's bad that people who don't understand running communities keep trying to run communities and need to be defederated

      In conversation Sunday, 07-May-2023 16:21:53 JST permalink
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      Mx. Aria Stewart (aredridel@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:43 JST Mx. Aria Stewart Mx. Aria Stewart
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      @aurynn actually I find this framing offensive while I guess technically correct. It completely ignores the power dynamics involved.

      In conversation Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:43 JST permalink
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      Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:44 JST Aurynn Shaw Aurynn Shaw
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      • Mx. Aria Stewart

      @aredridel Federation is a privilege, not a right, and any instance has can defed for any reason they see fit, including reasons you disagree with.

      In conversation Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:44 JST permalink
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      Mx. Aria Stewart (aredridel@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:45 JST Mx. Aria Stewart Mx. Aria Stewart
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      @aurynn yeah I have not yet seen it in any instance I’d want to be on. I have however been subject to an admin spat twice. Both I was told to go duck myself when I complained. And notably not my admins, so while I have a stake in the outcome, no stake in the decision.

      In conversation Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:45 JST permalink
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      Mx. Aria Stewart (aredridel@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:47 JST Mx. Aria Stewart Mx. Aria Stewart
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      @aurynn ehhhhh. That doesn’t mean they’ll be appropriately responsible, nor structure those decisions well. It might be a ticket to the negotiation but that’s not really the power relation most admins have with their users.

      In conversation Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:47 JST permalink
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      Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:47 JST Aurynn Shaw Aurynn Shaw
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      • Mx. Aria Stewart

      @aredridel to me, admins are responsible to their users and to other admins. There's a burden of responsibility to comport yourself well to other admins to not get yourself defederated. That is the emergent consensus system at play.

      In conversation Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:47 JST permalink
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      Mx. Aria Stewart (aredridel@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:48 JST Mx. Aria Stewart Mx. Aria Stewart
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      @aurynn Straight up? No.

      This is literally admins choosing to end relationships for their users, often with no accountability. If there's actual accountability? then maybe. But there so rarely is.

      But not all defederations are the same.

      nazis? Bye.
      fascists? Bye.
      trolling instances? Bye.
      mastodon.social? DEAL WITH THE POWER RELATION AND HAVE THE HARD CONVERSATIONS PLEASE. Taking it as defed-or-not is not actually a great starting point for those conversations.
      instance whose admin was on vacation for a day and didn't respond fast enough to banning one user who is kinda questionably nasty? Nah. Limit, have conversations, try to build a consensus.

      Having to migrate to another server because of spats between admins about people you don't know? That is in fact harmful.

      These are our social relationships involved. Damage to them requires accountability for the harm caused.

      In conversation Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:48 JST permalink
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      Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:48 JST Aurynn Shaw Aurynn Shaw
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      • Mx. Aria Stewart

      @aredridel This is what you pay your admin to do.

      In conversation Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:08:48 JST permalink
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      Mx. Aria Stewart (aredridel@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:55:10 JST Mx. Aria Stewart Mx. Aria Stewart
      • goatsarah

      @goatsarah i won’t join a community with those rules!

      In conversation Thursday, 11-May-2023 06:55:10 JST permalink

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