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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 04:08:02 JST Chris Trottier

   • Evan Prodromou
   • Fediverse News

   Evan Prodromou (@evan), the co-author of #ActivityPub, does not like Bluesky.

   He believes it is setting back the Fediverse and slowing its growth.

   https://cosocial.ca/@evan/110300493306700391

   @fediversenews

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     Pussista (pussista@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 04:13:26 JST Pussista

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     @atomicpoet I find it funny how #Bluesky & #bullshit have the same abbreviation 😶🌫️

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     ocdtrekkie (ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 04:16:43 JST ocdtrekkie

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     @atomicpoet @evan @fediversenews Indeed, it's silly to create your own standard unless you're trying to accomplish something significantly different or significantly improved from the existing one. Right now a single app has chosen an incompatible federation protocol they wrote themselves.

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     FeralRobots (feralrobots@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 04:19:11 JST FeralRobots

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     @atomicpoet
     I think @evan may be more pragmatic than the post might make it seem. FWIW I think his take is accurate, & suspect Jack at least (perhaps not Jay & others) has literal contempt for genuinely open efforts.

     That said I think I've also seen Evan say he's happy to work on bridges. (Which arguably defang AT.)

     @fediversenews

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 04:40:29 JST Chris Trottier

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     • katve

     @katve @evan Jack doesn't make Nostr nor Bluesky. He's donated to Nostr, and he's a board member at Bluesky.

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     katve (katve@tech.lgbt)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 04:40:30 JST katve

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     @atomicpoet @evan @fediversenews Ain't Jack making #nostr ? At least this random article says he endorsed it https://www.freethink.com/internet/nostr, and now he's on #Bluesky ? I thought that was a Twitter effort.

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     charlesesmith (charlesesmith@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:00:53 JST charlesesmith

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     @atomicpoet @evan @fediversenews I am not sure what anyone thinks that Bluesky is solving. It's still a silo, if a slightly nicer one. And it's helmed by Jack “Elon might be the only thing that can save Twitter” Dorsey, who you can pretty directly point to twitter's demise. All that said, getting on the fediverse needs to be this easy. If it were, Bluesky would be DOA.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:02:48 JST Chris Trottier

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     @charlesesmith Nomadic identity is the problem that Bluesky aims to solve.

     @evan says that nomadic identity is achievable through ActivityPub.

     The problem is that Mastodon does not have nomadic identity. Yes, you can migrate to another server and bring your followers with you.

     But (mostly) you cannot bring your posts.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:11:18 JST Chris Trottier

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     @evan @fediversenews I've read that. Here's my worry with ActivityPub.

     Mastodon's inability to adopt nomadic identity is going to result in recentralization, with mastodon.social dominating the network.

     Yes, people can migrate their followers -- but they can't take their posts.

     Now I'm working with Calckey to get post migration working. We tried it yesterday. There's hiccups -- but we're trying.

     I don't know if Mastodon will ever attempt that -- it's not on their road map. That worries me.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:11:19 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @atomicpoet @fediversenews There's a longer and more detailed thread about my position on Bluesky here:

     https://prodromou.pub/@evan/110045336289311841

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:14:22 JST Chris Trottier

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     @evan I know that @mike is working on nomadic identity. I've tried out Hubzilla and Streams. From what I see, there's been little adoption on what he's working on despite it being available for years.

     I hope the Fediverse Identity Manager means Bluesky is meaningless.

     But I also wonder if people who use Mastodon will know about it.

     We need something to make Bluesky's nomadic identity superfluous.

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     charlesesmith (charlesesmith@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:24:56 JST charlesesmith

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     @atomicpoet @evan I understand the stated goals of the project, but I don't trust how it will be implemented/executed. Notably absent from the official site is how they plan to monetize, for example.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:32:24 JST Chris Trottier

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     @evan @sarajw @fediversenews That's true. To that point, I believe decentralization of social media is more likely now than it was a year ago, and it will ultimately win.

     But to your other point, it will take that much longer if there's a war between protocols.

     So if ActivityPub is to win *quickly*, it needs to kill AT protocol's one (theoretical) advantage.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:32:25 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @sarajw @atomicpoet @fediversenews I agree that this is important.

     I also think using your own domain for your ActivityPub identity makes this a lot easier. I'd compare changing web hosting or blog platforms.

     But it's hard to use your own domain on the fediverse today. You have to run your own server. It should be easier.

     Also, this is functionality that is completely unavailable on the commercial social web. You can't move your Twitter account to Instagram, or your LinkedIn to TikTok.

     Chris Trottier repeated this.
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     Sara Joy :happy_pepper: (sarajw@front-end.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:32:27 JST Sara Joy :happy_pepper:

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     @atomicpoet @evan @fediversenews

     I echo that worry - having to leave posts behind when migrating - and add to it another:

     The situation where you click on a post and you don't see all the replies, unless you go to its original location on its original instance. Then of course you can't interact with it (or the new replies you've now found) from there.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 05:41:49 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @sarajw @atomicpoet @fediversenews

     Also, moving accounts is something that will happen a handful of times in your life.

     I think it's important that it's available, both practically and symbolically.

     But we probably shouldn't optimize the entire network for it, if it costs performance or functionality elsewhere.

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 06:26:26 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

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     @atomicpoet
     Me, too greatly.
     There must be a hack, there always is with databases..

     @evan @fediversenews

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 06:28:26 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Nasos Alaiskas

     @Jonathanglick @coachalaiskas @atomicpoet @fediversenews that's it, yes.

     It's probably not entirely fair. BS has been a real challenge for the fediverse, and it's raised some important issues.

     We'll probably have a better fediverse because of it.

     But it would have been more productive if they'd worked with us than against us.

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     Jonathan Glick (jonathanglick@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 06:28:27 JST Jonathan Glick

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     • Nasos Alaiskas

     @coachalaiskas @atomicpoet @evan @fediversenews He means that the success of Bluesky will harm the Fediverse a bit.

     Chris Trottier repeated this.
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     Nasos Alaiskas (coachalaiskas@venera.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-May-2023 06:28:37 JST Nasos Alaiskas

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     @atomicpoet @evan What does he mean with
     

     Their only impact is going to be somewhat slightly slowing our growth.