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Colin Robson (cer@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 20-Apr-2023 23:35:31 JST Colin Robson
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@thomasfuchs i always teach my kids the principles of "do it properly (nasa), not quickly (spacex)"
Im going to add this to my arsenal of why it should be done like that.

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  Shontel (shontelle@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 00:22:11 JST Shontel
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  @thomasfuchs they killed nasa
  
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  Princess Unikitty (unikitty@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 01:20:16 JST Princess Unikitty
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  @thomasfuchs I love to shit-talk Elno but if making rockets was all he did I would be much less annoyed by his antics.
  
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  obscurestar (obscurestar@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 02:21:17 JST obscurestar
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  Beyond the stench of Musk, the whole 'ra ra capitalism' thing bugs tf out of me. 'OOoooh! Spacex is so brilliant and has made so much progress!' Riding on the shoulders of giants. Private industry never would have build rockets from the ground up. It's just the jackals claiming prize of the hard work our nation funded. It was private industry's greed that slowed NASA and now claims its work as their own.
  
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  Administrator (mdm@mcnamarii.town)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 02:47:52 JST Administrator
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  @thomasfuchs Your take is funny -- I give you that. But even if the Starship somehow costs *100* times what SpaceX is estimating each launch could cost, it's still *1/20th* the cost of each launch of the SLS.
  They are not the same.
  
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  Administrator (mdm@mcnamarii.town)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 02:53:07 JST Administrator
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  @thomasfuchs Exactly -- SpaceX has stated sometimes that with volume, each launch of Starship could get as low as $1m for each launch.
  I don't believe that at all, and that's why said "even at 100X what they estimate". Their current rates to launch a kg to space are something like 30X less than their nearest competitor.
  Regardless of where the money comes from, the people at SpaceX (thousands of whom *aren't* Musk), have done amazing things to save the taxpayer money.
  
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  Administrator (mdm@mcnamarii.town)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 02:57:32 JST Administrator
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  @thomasfuchs Oh -- look at who the COO of SpaceX is -- it's *not* Elon Musk.
  Elon Musk is just a guy who started the company, and then, smartly, handed off the running to other people.
  Currently, like you say, he's just a distraction who shows up sometimes. Unlike Tesla, I believe Musk actually has very, very little to do with the daily runnings of SpaceX.
  
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  Eric Vey (vey981@lor.sh)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 05:52:34 JST Eric Vey
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  NASA used to build them fast like that until Apollo 1. Then things slowed up. Lessons learned and forgotten until space shuttle accidents reminded them.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1
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    Apollo 1
    
    Apollo 1, initially designated AS-204, was the first crewed mission of the Apollo program, the American undertaking to land the first man on the Moon. It was planned to launch on February 21, 1967, as the first low Earth orbital test of the Apollo command and service module. The mission never flew; a cabin fire during a launch rehearsal test at Cape Kennedy Air Force Station Launch Complex 34 on January 27 killed all three crew members—Command Pilot Gus Grissom, Senior Pilot Ed White, and Pilot Roger B. Chaffee—and destroyed the command module (CM). The name Apollo 1, chosen by the crew, was made official by NASA in their honor after the fire. Immediately after the fire, NASA convened an Accident Review Board to determine the cause of the fire, and both chambers of the United States Congress conducted their own committee inquiries to oversee NASA's investigation. The ignition source of the fire was determined to be electrical, and the fire spread rapidly due to combustible nylon material and the high-pressure pure oxygen cabin atmosphere. Rescue was prevented by the plug door hatch, which could not be opened against the internal...
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  Mike Sturm :fedora: :python: (jmichaelsturm@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 11:02:54 JST Mike Sturm :fedora: :python:
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  @thomasfuchs I understand (and agree with) much of the criticism of Elon Musk. However, SpaceX has been an unqualified success. While NASA tends to “go slow and get it perfect” at great expense, SpaceX embraces iterative design where failures are expected and used to improve the final outcome. Each approach has merit, but my opinion is that SpaceX will get Starship working reliably and launching several times before even the third $4 billion dollar SLS launch.
  
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  Mike Sturm :fedora: :python: (jmichaelsturm@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 21-Apr-2023 11:21:44 JST Mike Sturm :fedora: :python:
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  @thomasfuchs Very true about the public-private partnership that has greatly benefited SpaceX (although I would argue it also benefited the taxpayers). I am also concerned about the large constellations and their impact on astronomy! Great point.
  
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