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    Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:49:22 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora

    Making a living as a writer in 2023 is so weird. Your choices are:

    * nepo baby staff writer for legacy media fawning over billionaires and peddling fascism
    * writing 3 email newsletters a week and making the most obscure one subscriber only
    * organizing a community of your fans and charging for access to it
    * starting your own publishing business and asking fans to pay you up front to write the next book

    In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:49:22 JST from wandering.shop permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:54:14 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      All of these ways of making a living writing are morally fine except for the first.

      My complaint as a reader is that they all involve major skill sets in addition to writing book-length materials, severely limiting the people who can make a living writing and therefore the things available for me to read.

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 02:54:14 JST permalink

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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:04:34 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      In the before times, the skills you needed to write were: writing the thing people want to read, pitching the thing to publishers, chasing invoices if you're not on staff, and optionally networking/schmoozing.

      This still eliminated a number of good writers from making a living writing, but when you compare it to today, when you need social media expertise, community management, event planning, marketing, and speaking skills, and/or the skills to hire and manage people to do them...

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:04:34 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:08:58 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      And on top of that writers making a living at writing have to deal with massive exposure to unhealthy parasocial relationships at the level usually only sought out by live performers like actors and musicians.

      When you add all that together... not only are there very few people who can write, run a business, perform, manage a community, and tolerate parasocial relationships, but most of those people have the option to get paid six figures as a manager or executive.

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:08:58 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:12:47 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      We are also losing the writers with the non-writing day job. It's still a select few who can write in addition to working a full time job and any care duties they have, but compared to people who can do that AND run a second business? Ugh.

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:12:47 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:15:05 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      In conclusion, I hope some new kind of publisher evolves that understands the new landscape of writing and manages all the communities and events and parasocial relationships for writers so they can focus on what they love doing. So I have more books to read.

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 03:15:05 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 05:45:57 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • Bill Seitz

      @billseitz as a reader, how do I find a writer's work if they don't market or advertise? As a writer, how do I get readers?

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 05:45:57 JST permalink
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      Bill Seitz (billseitz@toolsforthought.rocks)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 05:45:58 JST Bill Seitz Bill Seitz
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      @vaurora if you can live off your non-writing job, then you can self-publish online to your heart's content. Without adding the "business" or "parasocial" burdens.

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 05:45:58 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:02:21 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • F.H.

      @stylinstainless you shouldn't have to! It is a huge bummer

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:02:21 JST permalink
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      F.H. (stylinstainless@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:02:22 JST F.H. F.H.
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      @vaurora No wonder I failed as a writer. I know how to do none of these things.

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:02:22 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:05:32 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • Gaëtan Perrault

      @gatesvp I'm with you on paying writers more money! We need businesses that are better at enabling that than Patreon and Substack

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:05:32 JST permalink
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      Gaëtan Perrault (gatesvp@mstdn.ca)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:05:33 JST Gaëtan Perrault Gaëtan Perrault
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      @vaurora we definitely need to give artists a new breed of publisher. But new publishers won't fix a "lack of money" problem.

      We're going to need to start paying more money for our favorite authors to keep writing.

      Hopefully, our new publishers can fill in that funding gap. But we've probably been getting too many books for too little money. We've definitely seen this in the music industry for the last decade. //

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:05:33 JST permalink
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      Gaëtan Perrault (gatesvp@mstdn.ca)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:05:34 JST Gaëtan Perrault Gaëtan Perrault
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      @vaurora I agree that we need a new breed of publishers, but we probably also need a new breed of publisher funding.

      People still want to pay big publisher prices for little publisher creations and it's really squeezing little pubs. Very few people are offering higher prices for books, which means the publishers are squeezed and those support teams are the first to go.

      I back a lot of artists on kickstarter and patreon. A lot. This funding is a recurring theme... /1

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:05:34 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:13:49 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      In reality, the way I support writers who *don't* have an option for subscription-based support is by pre-ordering the book they already wrote so that the publisher will pay them to write the book after the one I am pre-ordering. And the author is doing all the marketing: arranging book tours, booking speaking gigs, organizing social media campaigns, etc.

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 06:13:49 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 08:49:59 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • Bill Seitz

      @billseitz whatever kind of writing people can find without marketing or advertising

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 08:49:59 JST permalink
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      Bill Seitz (billseitz@toolsforthought.rocks)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 08:50:00 JST Bill Seitz Bill Seitz
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      @vaurora to focus, should we talk about books or shorter? Fiction or non-fiction?

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 08:50:00 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 11:56:54 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • Gaëtan Perrault

      @gatesvp my Patreon bill is substantial because I feel the same way. But they genuinely are just a platform - I'm hoping for something more like publisher

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 11:56:54 JST permalink
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      Gaëtan Perrault (gatesvp@mstdn.ca)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 11:56:55 JST Gaëtan Perrault Gaëtan Perrault
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      @vaurora "Paying writers more" basically means "spending more money on the books we already buy".

      I give credit to Patreon for being a vehicle to basically do this. For the people I back, this monthly source of income basically gets them to the next book, the next album, the next thing

      Patreon isn't perfect, but it's having a very real effect. And I haven't figured out a better way to get money directly to artists

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 11:56:55 JST permalink
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      Rob Landley (landley@mstdn.jp)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 11:57:53 JST Rob Landley Rob Landley
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      @vaurora https://youtu.be/c9xVWOfXW7U

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 11:57:53 JST permalink

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      1. Basic income, explained
        from Vox
        We know how to end poverty. So why don't we? Read more about the simplest plan to end poverty, a universal basic income: http://www.vox.com/2014/9/8/6003359/...
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 11:57:53 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • Rob Landley

      @landley right??

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 11:57:53 JST permalink
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      Rob Landley (landley@mstdn.jp)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 14:37:43 JST Rob Landley Rob Landley
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      @vaurora If you want books https://www.amazon.com/Give-People-Money-Universal-Revolutionize/dp/1524758760 from https://youtu.be/Uu23HOoyFHw or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_for_Realists from https://youtu.be/ydKcaIE6O1k come to mind (and of course David Graeber...)

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 14:37:43 JST permalink

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      1. No result found on File_thumbnail lookup.
        Give People Money: How a Universal Basic Income Would End Poverty, Revolutionize Work, and Remake the World: Lowrey, Annie: 9781524758769: Amazon.com: Books
        Give People Money: How a Universal Basic Income Would End Poverty, Revolutionize Work, and Remake the World [Lowrey, Annie] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Give People Money: How a Universal Basic Income Would End Poverty, Revolutionize Work, and Remake the World
      2. Annie Lowrey on Universal Basic Income
        from New Economic Thinking
      3. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: upload.wikimedia.org
        Utopia for Realists
        Utopia for Realists: The Case for a Universal Basic Income, Open Borders, and a 15-hour Workweek (alternatively subtitled And How We Can Get There and How We Can Build the Ideal World) is a book by Dutch popular historian Rutger Bregman. It was originally written as articles in Dutch for a virtual journal, De Correspondent, and was since compiled and published, and translated into several languages. It offers a critical proposal that it claims is a practical approach to reconstructing modern society to promote a more productive and equitable life based on three core ideas: a universal and unconditional basic income paid to everybody a short working week of fifteen hours open borders worldwide with the free movement of citizens between all states ...
      4. Poverty isn't a lack of character; it's a lack of cash | Rutger Bregman
        from TED
        "Ideas can and do change the world," says historian Rutger Bregman, sharing his case for a provocative one: guaranteed basic income. Learn more about the ide...
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 14:37:43 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • Rob Landley

      @landley er, I am quite aware of UBI and have been advocating for it for more than a decade. Is there a reason you thought I wanted recommendations for explanations of UBI?

      In conversation Sunday, 16-Apr-2023 14:37:43 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 01:54:28 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • Bill Seitz

      @billseitz what you just described is marketing and advertising

      In conversation Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 01:54:28 JST permalink
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      Bill Seitz (billseitz@toolsforthought.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 01:54:29 JST Bill Seitz Bill Seitz
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      @vaurora For a little more work....
      I'd buy a domain from wordpress, and create a 2-3-page website - home, bio, book.
      I'd post on my social network of choice.
      I'd email people who had reviewed books "similar" to mine (whether on paid sites or blogs) to let them know about the book.

      In conversation Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 01:54:29 JST permalink
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      Bill Seitz (billseitz@toolsforthought.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 01:54:30 JST Bill Seitz Bill Seitz
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      @vaurora I'll focus on the book-author.
      I'd self-publish on Amazon/KDP. I'd start by charging $3.99 or $4.99 for the book, something appropriate for the print-on-demand.
      I'd email all my friends to tell them about it, including the link. (I'd ask them to post a review if they buy.)

      In conversation Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 01:54:30 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 04:03:50 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • Bill Seitz

      @billseitz Okay. I am not going to explain how you are missing the point of my thread.

      In conversation Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 04:03:50 JST permalink
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      Bill Seitz (billseitz@toolsforthought.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 04:03:51 JST Bill Seitz Bill Seitz
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      @vaurora There's no process of getting more then 3 readers that takes 0 non-writing time. There's a vast spectrum between 0 time and "running a 2nd business".

      In conversation Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 04:03:51 JST permalink

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