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   simsa04 (simsa04@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 11:38:16 JST simsa04

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   In all my hospitality work, employers have justified low wages with reference to the tip the employees would receive. Accordingly, there's always been a lot of infighting between service and kitchen in the restaurant staff, also greed and gaming the cusormers by the waitors and waitresses, as well as customers using tip to exonerate themselves from shitty behaviour. I never accept tip precisely because of the harm it does to everybody involved. Obviously employers like tip as it seemingly reduces their wage obligations – even though a (legal) wage obligation is something entirely different from a tip (usually a sort of voluntary gift from the customer to which the employee isn't automatically eligible for). Tip is harmful, in my opinion, and people should refuse it wherever possible.
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     防空識別區 (adiz@outerkosm.us)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 11:38:17 JST 防空識別區

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     @feld@bikeshed.party Tipping only exists in the United States and Canada (if I remember correctly). I don't really understand the origins, but it's a pretty ridiculous concept. Employees should be paid equitably for their service and tipping should not exist as an expectation by patrons to subsidize paycheck owed to employees by their employers. I remember I had a friend come visit me in China, and he left money on the table after we left---the waitress chased us down to return his money to him, thinking it was a mistake he left his money behind. Alternatively, at least in China, tipping may even be considered offensive in the sense that one is trying to make a statement that an employee is poor or something. A lot of this goes into the vague and nuanced concept of "face". But, still, outside of the West, it's foreign as a concept. Patrons shouldn't be expected to subsidize wages. Wages should simply be equitable. If that means that services are more expensive, so be it.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 11:38:18 JST feld
     I'll never understand the concept of "the person providing you service should be tipped based on the value of the thing they give to you"
     
     It's the same service whether they bring a hamburger or red snapper to my table, or deliver me McDonalds vs sushi. They're not doing more work. They didn't earn more money.