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   Swapna Krishna (skrishna@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 01:48:07 JST Swapna Krishna

   • Thomas 🔭🕹️

   @thomasfuchs co-sign.

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     Alfonso Betancort (abetancort@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 02:03:54 JST Alfonso Betancort

     • Eugen Rochko
     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs @Gargron Anything they do to automate migration from Twitter will be rendered unusable by Twitter as soon as they detect them in official client. They must avoid wasting any time developing them.

     Everything else is fine but quote toots are frowned by the community because they promote harassment of users and they want to avoid mastodon becoming as unhealthy as Twitter.

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     防空識別區 (adiz@outerkosm.us)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 02:11:11 JST 防空識別區

     • Eugen Rochko
     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io There are other, better instance softwares than Mastodon that provide features you're looking for (like quote posts). Calckey is one such software. Some of the requests you're making, however, are completely against how ActivityPub works and should work, e.g. "Restrictions on who can reply to a post". @Gargron@mastodon.social

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     Eric de Redelijkheid :fedi: (ericdere@mastodon.nl)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 02:12:53 JST Eric de Redelijkheid :fedi:

     • Eugen Rochko
     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs @Gargron https://joinmastodon.org/roadmap

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     Grath (grath@brontosin.space)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 02:24:52 JST Grath

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Constructive discussion about improving the platform on Mastodon? Now that's impossible. ?

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     ben (benjamineskola@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 02:36:07 JST ben

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs One kind of reply that particularly irks me is the universalised claim that nobody wants feature X, despite a large number of people who keep asking for it.

     (or e.g., “the community frowns on …” as if those who want it aren't actually part of the community.)

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     Kurt (flglchicago@mas.to)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 02:53:12 JST Kurt

     • Eugen Rochko
     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs @Gargron Not sure what the point or benefit is of building the specs of the new thing (which could be so much broader and better) to the specs of the old thing (which was going down in flames even before the active sabotage). This is a relatively blank canvas, even a gallery of canvasses. We can do so much better than using crumpled paper as a reference point.

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     Baloo Uriza (baloouriza@social.tulsa.ok.us)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 06:50:43 JST Baloo Uriza

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs

     - Chronological timeline sorted by oldest first, picking up where you last left off.

     We don't have to clone what we can improve after all.

     @Gargron@mastodon.sociali

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     Baloo Uriza (baloouriza@social.tulsa.ok.us)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 07:00:34 JST Baloo Uriza

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs It could work for other timelines too. Maybe even a "jump to an hour ago" if you wanna doomscroll the firehose.

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     Jon F (avonvilla@aus.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 07:35:38 JST Jon F

     • Eugen Rochko
     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs @Gargron What does "underprivileged" mean?

     Admittedly, I only briefly tried the bird site about 10 years ago and I lost interest, so I don't know what the big deal is.

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     Kristoffer Lawson (setok@attractive.space)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 07:58:51 JST Kristoffer Lawson

     • Eugen Rochko
     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs @Gargron we also desperately need to see all replies of a post when clicking on it. Not just whatever the server knows about and thus silently missing often the majority of a discussion.

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     Wogan May (wogan@mastodon.africa)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 08:43:37 JST Wogan May

     • Eugen Rochko
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     @thomasfuchs @Gargron I've seen this conversation (and many like it) over the last few months, and I'm genuinely curious about something: The relationship between "underprivileged" and how these features help mitigate that in a social network context.

     Are there some published essays/thinkpieces unpacking that? Intuitively it seems "weird" that the only difference between being on Mastodon, or not, for an underprivileged individual, is the ability to quote-toot.

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     Jon F (avonvilla@aus.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 08:44:56 JST Jon F

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     @thomasfuchs My experience was that twitter was bad at many of those things. I believe it's getting worse in many ways, to the point where the scales have tipped. Generally, overall, staying there damages underprivileged communities. It damages them a lot more than doing without a few features, or getting used to a different platform.

     To put it bluntly, it's "I know Musk is a nazi enabler, but, but, but, QUOTE TWEETS!"

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     Wogan May (wogan@mastodon.africa)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 08:46:44 JST Wogan May

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs From what I've seen, search being basically non-usable was a deliberate design choice - it makes it harder for people to find other people to attack, and I can't say I disagree with that logic.

     That's another recurring theme in the last few months: People trying to build "index the fediverse" projects that keep meeting resistance from people who explicitly *don't* want their ephemeral content easily surfaced to hostile actors.

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     Wogan May (wogan@mastodon.africa)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 08:51:16 JST Wogan May

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     @thomasfuchs My point being, I haven't yet seen the notion that an individual's socioeconomic background relates to the tools they need within Mastodon to feel at home here. That seems to be achieved much more often with actively-moderated servers that will pre-emptively defederate with any other instances deemed hostile.

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     Wogan May (wogan@mastodon.africa)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 08:51:19 JST Wogan May

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     @thomasfuchs I'll keep an eye on the tags you recommended, but the little bit I know about the quote-toot debate (other than being just about the most divisive issue in the fediverse) is that most of the pro-QT arguments center around context-adding, anti-QT arguments reduce it to "dunking" and "dogpiling" (which Twitter did, admittedly, perfect), and there are Mastodon forks out there already running with prototype implementations of quote-tooting.

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     Fifi Lamoura (fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 22:27:47 JST Fifi Lamoura

     • Eugen Rochko
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     @thomasfuchs @Gargron Are you actually advocating for "under-privileged" communities or using them to promote your own desires? And which "under-privileged" communities are you claiming to speak for?

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     Only Ohm (only_ohm@mas.to)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 22:43:24 JST Only Ohm

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️
     • ben

     @thomasfuchs

     @benjamineskola

     I'd also like some of the features you ask for, but I'm bound to point out: it's FOSS. You're free to pursue your priorities using your time and skill, others are free to pursue their priorities using their time and skill. If you want others to change their priorities to match yours, the onus is on you to persuade them. If they're not persuaded, they don't particularly owe you a logically-sound explanation of why not.

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     ben (benjamineskola@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 22:43:24 JST ben

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     • Only Ohm

     @only_ohm @thomasfuchs I certainly can’t expect people to work on things in their free time that they don’t want to purely for my (or anyone else’s benefit). That’s not really the thing I’m objecting to, though.

     I don’t have the impression that most of these argumentative types are actually developers on Mastodon. If they were, their objections could be taken a lot more seriously.

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     ben (benjamineskola@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 06-Apr-2023 23:10:22 JST ben

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs actually, thinking further, I think even if they weren’t salaried, there’s a certain level of ethical necessity even when doing something as a hobby.

     I don’t want to be absolutist here. But if someone is happy to make stuff for free, for fun, and yet consistently objects to making it accessible, or safe, etc, then I’m suspicious. Nobody is forcing anyone to do free work, but why is the free work suddenly a problem only when it’s diversity-related?

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     Kurt (flglchicago@mas.to)'s status on Friday, 07-Apr-2023 07:02:31 JST Kurt

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs The algorithmic timeline was/is optimized to many harmful biases and outcomes that have nothing to do with advertising, especially for the communities you are trying to help here, and since at least last mid-decade was a primary platform to promote fascist ideas and candidates. The response from Mastodon and other Fediverse services seems to be "no thank you, we're building something different here. If you think Twitter is amazing, and you want Twitter, use Twitter."