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   Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:40:42 JST Anil Dash

   One sign that you're not making a technology for the right reasons is when you have to fucking lie about it, or misrepresent others in order to compete. For example, Nostr (the protocol which currently enjoys zero million daily active users) says of Mastodon, "There are no clear incentives to run servers" — proving that this is, indeed, a protocol created by people who have no idea how to make friends.

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     Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:43:20 JST Anil Dash

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     always the same dudes who think "there is no clear incentive to run a community" if it's not solely about profits are those who think [any kind of relationships] are owed to them solely on the basis of having pretended to be a Nice Guy for 10 minutes.

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     Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:43:21 JST Anil Dash

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     Other highlights on their website, the list of reasons we need new technologies intentionally excludes mention of wide-scale, intentional, targeted harassment and abuse. In fact, enabling these hate campaigns is an explicit goal of the platform, which they call "censorship resistance". https://nostr.com/

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     CarlataAgain (carlataold@mas.to)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:43:22 JST CarlataAgain

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     @anildash
     It's a character defect when everything is transactional.

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     nus (nus@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:43:24 JST nus

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     • zeruch

     @zeruch @anildash it's not a one-to-one comparison, but hopefully that helps translate some of it. Of course, it runs on a blockchain, and cryptocurrency nerds love it because it has the option to prioritize messages for paying users, and it lets you give people cryptocurrency too...

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     zeruch (zeruch@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:43:25 JST zeruch

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     @anildash ok, now I'm going down this rabbit trail and christ I also have zero familiarity with Amethyst, Damus, etc.

     Did I miss the brigade of new projects or are all these things fairly recent?

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     nus (nus@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:43:25 JST nus

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     • zeruch

     @zeruch @anildash you can just sort of assume that Nostr is like Mastodon, and you have enough of an idea what it is. Instead of Mastodon clients like Tusky, they have clients like... Well, the names you mentioned. Instead of having instances, they have relays. Instead of instances being grouped around certain topics, all the relays are more or less expected to serve up an identical user experience to everybody.

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     Comfortably Numb (ygalanter@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:50:11 JST Comfortably Numb

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     @anildash "How to help Nostr: Annoy content creators, people banned from social media and other personalities that you follow that you think may be interested in Nostr until they look at it" - yep they're building a Nazi paradise.

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     Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:50:14 JST Anil Dash

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     @pyrex My framing is that they made a list of the worst things about social media and left off the one that has enabled genocide.

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     pyrex (they/them) (pyrex@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:50:15 JST pyrex (they/them)

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     @anildash I think I disagree with the framing that if your goal is not to be moderated, you must have a goal of engaging in the worst behavior on the internet.

     Some of the features Nostr wants to have would have saved friends from the implosion of their social network when snouts.online happened, for instance!

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     pyrex (they/them) (pyrex@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:50:16 JST pyrex (they/them)

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     @anildash I'm curious how it will go! To me it looks like they took a lot of the hard engineering problems and decided to not solve them.

     (For instance, it is surprising to me they complain about data duplication on Fedi when according to their protocol, there's no server that's supposed to store everything. And I can't for the life of me tell how you store objects on nostr.)

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     Alec Perkins (alec@perkins.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:50:23 JST Alec Perkins

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     @anildash I decided to try out Nostr just to know it’s deal, and the happy path on iOS is you start with a feed filled with a single account talking about crypto. No thanks.

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     Stephen Farrugia (fasterandworse@hci.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:50:27 JST Stephen Farrugia

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     @anildash they are demonstrating the undeliberatable means of tech. When you start with the means you have to squish the ends till it seems like you’re actually satisfying a purpose

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:50:28 JST clacke

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     • Stephen Farrugia
     @fasterandworse @anildash Good old "solution looking for a problem"
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     Brian Hawthorne (bhawthorne@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 07:50:31 JST Brian Hawthorne

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     @anildash Have the nostr folks actually used Mastodon??

     “users are subject to the despotism of a single person, which is often worse than that of a big company like Twitter, and they can't migrate out.”

     No, users are able to choose a server with a support team and set of rules that they agree with, and can easily migrate out to a different server.

     “Since servers tend to be run by amateurs, they are often abandoned. This effectively bans everybody that signed up via that server.”

     Tend, often, and effectively are such lovely weasel words. Let’s rewrite that sentence without them.

     Since [some] servers [are] run by [people not driven by profit motives], they are [rarely] abandoned. [And when they are,] this [does not prevent] everybody that signed up via that server [from easily moving to a new server].

     There. Fixed it.

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