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    Luis Villa (luis_in_brief@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:51 JST Luis Villa Luis Villa

    Welp, may have to take 30 seconds in my next public presentation for this idea.

    To be clear, most North Americans live on stolen land! But reciting that mechanistically before completely unrelated conferences, with no plan, possibility, or even real desire to give the land back, numbs people to genocide without creating action.

    In contrast, every conference is inevitably related to capitalism, and every participant can chose to make capitalism better or worse. https://social.coop/@luis_in_brief/110051208247493374

    In conversation Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:51 JST from social.coop permalink

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      Luis Villa (@luis_in_brief@social.coop)
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      @tante@tldr.nettime.org “Podiums” makes me wonder if “capitalism acknowledgments” would be more interesting/provocative/useful than the current fad for land acknowledgments. Everyone knows we’re not going to give the land back, so land acknowledgments have always felt hollow to me. We’re not going to overthrow capitalism either, but “can we change capitalism and make it more human, and is this conversation adding to that or taking away from it” is more… interesting.
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:44 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      @luis_in_brief @chrisjrn here's my take on this kind of reaction to land acknowledgments: they are highlighting cognitive dissonance enough to make you want to take action. Some land acknowledgments include a "and here's what you, an ordinary mortal, can do to move us in the direction of justice." I'm guessing those aren't the ones you are hearing

      In conversation Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:44 JST permalink
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      Luis Villa (luis_in_brief@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:45 JST Luis Villa Luis Villa
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      • Christopher Neugebauer

      @chrisjrn To put it a different way: it always feels to me like absolution, not awareness-raising. “I don’t have to do anything more, I gave an acknowledgment!”

      It is possible I’d feel differently If I’d seen even a single one that had a link to a concrete, specific plan of restitution. Could be anything: National Park transfers, seats in Congress, etc. But that would force people to grapple with actual action, and no institution will admit to that as a goal.

      In conversation Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:45 JST permalink
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      Luis Villa (luis_in_brief@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:47 JST Luis Villa Luis Villa
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      @chrisjrn I’m glad they’re useful in the .au context, but very skeptical that’s the impact in the US.

      It’s so transparently obvious that the entities involved have exactly zero intent to ever give back a square inch of land. If you called them “genocide acknowledgements” they’d be a lot more accurate, but then no one would do them, which… says something, I think.

      In conversation Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:47 JST permalink

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      Christopher Neugebauer (chrisjrn@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:49 JST Christopher Neugebauer Christopher Neugebauer
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      @luis_in_brief
      This take is bizarre.

      Land acknowledgements -- now universal in Australia -- have been key in making awareness of indigenous issues pervasive in settler society, which is, in turn creating space to discuss reconciliation in a more meaningful way.

      In conversation Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:50:49 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 08:07:11 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      @pchestek @luis_in_brief @chrisjrn I would advocate for adding a calm to action rather than ending the practice. The Overton window has opened another inch

      In conversation Monday, 20-Mar-2023 08:07:11 JST permalink
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      pchestek (pchestek@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 08:07:15 JST pchestek pchestek
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      • Christopher Neugebauer
      • Valerie Aurora

      @luis_in_brief @vaurora @chrisjrn My experience matches Luis's

      In conversation Monday, 20-Mar-2023 08:07:15 JST permalink
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      Luis Villa (luis_in_brief@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 08:07:16 JST Luis Villa Luis Villa
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      • Christopher Neugebauer
      • Valerie Aurora

      @vaurora @chrisjrn Granted my survey is not comprehensive, but I’ve literally never seen that, nor “here’s what we, an institution, are doing (other than performative statements like this one)”. Maybe that sort of call to action is best practice, but it does not appear to be widely-adopted practice (or anecdotally, adopted-at-all practice).

      In conversation Monday, 20-Mar-2023 08:07:16 JST permalink
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      Valerie Aurora (vaurora@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 09:38:37 JST Valerie Aurora Valerie Aurora
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      • pchestek

      @pchestek @luis_in_brief @chrisjrn also note that the New Zealand federal government is, literally, giving land back in non-trivial amounts according to treaty, and land acknowledgments are pretty standard there

      In conversation Monday, 20-Mar-2023 09:38:37 JST permalink

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