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   Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot (libreleah@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 21:36:40 JST Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot

   porting obsd userland code to run under linux & musl libc...

   * 731c3aa usr.bin/mail: dont use uid_from_user()
   * a37d400 usr.bin/mail: fix yet another implicit use of time.h
   * 7351d56 usr.bin/mail: use ifdef for ALTWERASE
   * 40f5e5e usr.bin/mail: fix another implicit use of time.h
   * f68a55e usr.bin/mail: fix implicit use of <sys/file.h>
   * f07cade usr.bin/mail: fix implicit use of time.h
   * db80de8 usr.bin/mail: import new code from OBSD 7.2
   * 9afee35 usr.bin/indent: import new version via OBSD 7.2

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     Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot (libreleah@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 21:36:34 JST Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot

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     • Paul Marques Mota

     @P Yeah but I like the openbsd code. It's tried and tested, and very efficient.

     I just prefer C to Rust.

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     Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot (libreleah@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 21:36:39 JST Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot

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     i've had lots of false starts with this but this time i'm confident i'll succeed

     no idea when i'll have something ready though. i'm fixing/updating lobase and bringing that up to date. see:

     https://github.com/Duncaen/lobase

     this does most of what i want, but it's 5 years outdated. i've forked it and i'm gradually importing newer code from modern openbsd

     i want this for linux distros that use busybox, so that they can... not use busybox, because busybox *sucks*

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     Paul Marques Mota (p@masto.pt)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 21:36:39 JST Paul Marques Mota

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     @libreleah hi. Have you looked at the rust port of the coreutils? It's got a much better bus factor.
     https://github.com/uutils/coreutils

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     Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot (libreleah@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 21:37:11 JST Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot

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     • Stewart X Addison

     @sxa Well, the same problem exists on BSD userlands aswell. For example, FreeBSD's csh and OpenBSD's ksh both provide non-POSIX extensions, as do many of their utilities.

     I'm going to maintain an as-is version of these utils, merely ported to compile and run properly, but then maintain a branch in parallel that removes non-POSIX features, bringing feature parity with busybox.

     What I want is a single-binary setup like busybox, but with openbsd code in it.

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     Stewart X Addison (sxa@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 21:37:14 JST Stewart X Addison

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     @libreleah I can definitely see a use for this in helping Linux users make their scripts more portable too. Lots of people will write for GNU/Linux and then hit problems moving code to other other UNIX-based OSs because they only run Linux locally...

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     Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot (libreleah@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 21:38:07 JST Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot

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     • Daniel Barlow

     @dan the code quality in busybox is awful. it seems small, but a lot of it is calling a bunch of libraries too, and the style is just quite cumbersome, overall it's about the same code size as equivalent openbsd code with non-posix features removed to match busybox functionality

     openbsd code style is very clean, it almost feels like you're reading a book

     compliance/liability issues with busybox code due to GPL license (and from what i've gleaned, conflicting GPL 2/3 licensing depending on use)

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     Daniel Barlow (dan@brvt.telent.net)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 21:38:09 JST Daniel Barlow

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     @libreleah I'd be curious to hear more about "busybox sucks" if you have the time. I've not dug into it too deeply, my first impressions are (1) that it pays a heavy maintenance cost for being a multicall binary and (2) it's probably carrying code that was last relevant in about 1996. Will be following your project with interest
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     Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot (libreleah@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 21:38:09 JST Leah Rowe is not a Rowebot

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     • Daniel Barlow

     @dan openbsd has a tendency to heavily audit code, and remove useless additions, make it leaner over time

     they do this without sacrificing quality or features. for example, openbsd ksh is about the same code size as busybox ash but is packed full of features - freebsd's sh is much smaller too

     (i don't see the point in stripping openbsd ksh, i'm doing two profiles: small or full and for small i'll adapter freebsd sh for when i want sh)

     openbsd ksh / busybox ash: ~18k sloc

     freebsd sh: 12k sloc

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