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   Ben Adida (ben@mastodon.adida.net)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 13:02:22 JST Ben Adida

   Newspapers hosting their own Mastodon instances is the wrong model.

   This here by WaPo, newspapers verifying their journalists wherever they toot, is the right model.

   https://washpost.engineering/heres-how-the-washington-post-verified-its-journalists-on-mastodon-7b5dbc96985c

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 13:02:21 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @ben What? No. C'mon.

     They're both fine. Any way that publications and journalists get on the fediverse is fine. Newspapers having their own instances is great. Newspapers verifying journalists is great. Both are great.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 13:31:16 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @ben Please don't discourage organizations or individuals from joining the fediverse.

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     Ben Adida (ben@mastodon.adida.net)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 13:31:17 JST Ben Adida

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan i don't agree. One thing that was positive about Twitter is journalists having independent voices and a lasting timeline as they move from job to job. Being tied to your employer is not ideal, IMO.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 13:48:19 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @ben great! It's important that publications and broadcasters have a presence on the open social web.

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     Ben Adida (ben@mastodon.adida.net)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 13:48:20 JST Ben Adida

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan that's not what I said.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 21:34:44 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @ben I've been thinking about your plan.

     In your scheme, is there a way for me to subscribe to all of the publication's articles as they come out?

     Or do I have to subscribe to each journalist individually?

     What about sections of the publication, like science, sports, or entertainment?

     What about employees who aren't journalists?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 21:41:21 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @ben and who is responsible for the server costs of distribution, and labour costs of moderation, on articles?

     The unlucky operator who unknowingly let a reporter from the Washington Post onto their instance?

     Is the reporter supposed to cover those costs out of their own pocket? I'm sure the superstars can handle it, but it seems bad for the long tail of journalists.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 21:43:56 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Elias Mårtenson
     • Thomas Schewe

     @thosch66 @loke @ben we've got almost 40 years of experience as a culture with having work or school versus personal email addresses. I think we can work out having different fediverse accounts.

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     Elias Mårtenson (loke@functional.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 21:43:58 JST Elias Mårtenson

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @ben @evan doesn't it depend on the role under which they post? If they post on behalf of the company, they should use a corporate account. If they post as an individual that happens to work for the organisation, then it should be a verified personal account.

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     Thomas Schewe (thosch66@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 21:43:58 JST Thomas Schewe

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     • Elias Mårtenson
     • Evan Prodromou

     @loke
     Very good point. ?

     @ben @evan

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 21:47:22 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @ben I'm glad to see that the Post is considering the long-term responsibilities of having their own instance.

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     Thomas Schewe (thosch66@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 21:55:59 JST Thomas Schewe

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     • Elias Mårtenson
     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan
     I never had any doubt that that any professional can handle this. And I did not wrote, that I was in doubt.
     @loke @ben

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 22:46:34 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • L. Rhodes

     @lrhodes EXACTLY! Well said.

     /cc @ben

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     L. Rhodes (lrhodes@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 22:46:36 JST L. Rhodes

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     @ben I'd be interested to hear your reasons, but at the moment, I disagree. This makes the staff subject to a broad range of user agreements and moderation rules, each of which will be subject to change at a moment's notice, and all of which will have to be continually monitored and parsed for conflicts with the org's policies. It also leaves them open to a range of potential security vulnerabilities that would be harder to exploit on a server run by a Post-employed admin and moderators.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 07:39:12 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • penryu

     @penryu @ben lol. Why?

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     penryu (penryu@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 07:39:13 JST penryu

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @ben @evan This is much more in line with my feelings on a journalistic publication's ethical responsibilities.