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   casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:32:52 JST casey is remote

   If far leftists say that the right wants to slaughter trans people because they oppose transgenderism, can the right say that the left wants to slaughter conservatives because they oppose heteronormative ideology?

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:32:45 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • OS Master
     They usually do it themselves so there’s really no point.
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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:32:46 JST casey is remote

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     @SorenApplicati1 IDK I think it's frankly disingenuous and dramatic on both sides.

     Very little of either side actually wants to kill anyone on the other side

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     OS Master (sorenapplicati1@dragonscave.space)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:32:50 JST OS Master

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     @realcaseyrollins They sure can, and they do kind of have a point in the current situation. Sad but true.

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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:34:07 JST casey is remote

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     > saying that the people exist is already admitting that it's not just an ideology. It's like claiming left-handedness is an ideology because you can force left-handed people to pretend to be right-handed with violence.

     I'm trying not to laugh at how bad this logic is...to be consistent, conservatism isn't an ideology, because the people exist. Right? ?

     > https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2021/11/11/375-transgender-people-murdered-in-2021-deadliest-year-since-records-began/?sh=4a092d12321c

     Here is where I suspect the most productive portion of this discussion may lie: where in this article is it demonstrated that right wing personalities in the #USA are driving the deaths of trans people? I don't even see much here that indicates the heteronormative ideologies are even a driving factor behind these deaths, I'm not seeing any statistics here that points to any proportional motives.

     The closest it gets is when it posits this:

     > The report notes that the numbers indicate a worrying trend when it comes to the intersections of misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and hate towards sex workers.

     Presumably supported by this:

     > It found that most victims were Black and migrant trans women of colour and trans sex workers.

     As well as this:

     > Over half (58%) of those murdered were sex workers, and four in ten were European migrants (43%).

     Which is certainly strong circumstantial indication that these trans individuals were killed for being sex workers, but there aren't enough statistics here that back this up, nor verified motives.

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     clown college (clowncollege@mastodonmusic.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:34:11 JST clown college

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     @realcaseyrollins saying that the people exist is already admitting that it's not just an ideology. It's like claiming left-handedness is an ideology because you can force left-handed people to pretend to be right-handed with violence.

     https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2021/11/11/375-transgender-people-murdered-in-2021-deadliest-year-since-records-began/?sh=31ccf977321c

     There's the first thing that comes up if you google it. The notion that it's not conservatives targeting trans people is so dumb I'm not going to pretend with you.

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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:34:12 JST casey is remote

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     @clowncollege

     > Transgender isn't an ideology it's a group of humans who exist.

     You're being reductionist. Transgender is the gender identity, Transgenders are the individuals who are transgender, and individuals who believe in embracing or externally living out their transgenderism ascribe to the ideology.

     > statistics are absolutely clear that conservatives are murdering trans people and it's your fault if you didn't look it up.

     Which stats? It is also your fault if you don't know what they are.

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     clown college (clowncollege@mastodonmusic.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:34:13 JST clown college

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     @realcaseyrollins they can say that if they like absurd false equivalences. What a load of pseudo-rational garbage. Transgender isn't an ideology it's a group of humans who exist. You can't equate a group of real people to an "ideology" that says you would rather they not exist. Also statistics are absolutely clear that conservatives are murdering trans people and it's your fault if you didn't look it up. You are being some combination of dishonest, ignorant, and hateful.

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     clown college (clowncollege@mastodonmusic.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:35:03 JST clown college

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     @realcaseyrollins an ideology is a shared set of beliefs, this conservatives, who are defined by a set of beliefs represent an ideology whereas left-handed people don't just all agree to be left-handed and trans people don't just all agree to be trans, you literally need to learn what the word means or disabuse yourself of the notion that trans people aren't trans.

     Also, the claim was that trans people are being killed, and I provided stats that show this to be true.

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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:35:03 JST casey is remote

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     @clowncollege

     > trans people don't just all agree to be trans

     Well some people with gender dysphoria are in denial, and others choose not to live it out externally (i.e. present as the gender they believe they should be). One of the main tenets of transgender ideology is that gender identity is determinate of whether one is a man or woman, which is something that anybody can choose to believe or not believe.

     > the claim was that trans people are being killed, and I provided stats that show this to be true.

     No, your argument was:

     > Also statistics are absolutely clear that conservatives are murdering trans people

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     clown college (clowncollege@mastodonmusic.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:36:52 JST clown college

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     @realcaseyrollins you can't stop being trans just because you don't "Expres it externally" or whatever your silly phrase is, you are just saying you have the right to decide who gets to exist in society, and congratulations on being 100% wrong and I look forward to much disappointment in your future as time inevitably marches forward

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:36:52 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • clown college
     There are ppl that genuinely believe they are animals, or anthropomorphic animals like furries. Are they human or are they animals?
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     clown college (clowncollege@mastodonmusic.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:36:53 JST clown college

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     @realcaseyrollins I will grant you that logically demonstrating that it's specifically conservatives doing the killing isn't going to be possible, so I have a great leap of logic from "conservatives are the ones who don't support trans people" and "the are the ones doing the killing" which I know is beyond comprehension.

     As far a the rest of that is concerned, for centuries the church forced left-handed people to pretend to be right handed because their ideology said to

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     clown college (clowncollege@mastodonmusic.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 07:36:53 JST clown college

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     @realcaseyrollins as soon as it became accepted to be left-handed, left-handedness seemed to explode because pretending to be right handed doesn't make you right-handed.

     You are simply arguing that people you don't like shouldn't be allowed to exist in society and trying to avoid this basic obvious fact.

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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 09:33:18 JST casey is remote

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     • clown college

     @bot @clowncollege They are animals, of course! Because they think they are! ?

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 09:33:18 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Tranny mental gymnastics are really exceptional.