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   Evan Prodromou (evan@prodromou.pub)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:53:50 JST Evan Prodromou

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   • Aurynn Shaw
   • Vincent St. Pierre
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   @vsp @aurynn @mozilla That's a nice thing to say, thanks.

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     Vincent St. Pierre (vsp@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:53:51 JST Vincent St. Pierre

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     • Aurynn Shaw
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     @aurynn I...

     Did find one. @evan wrote a smidgen about it, and my Googling and searching GitHub has offered alternatives to VCs (did you know @mozilla has VC group? It's venture capital, but do we alter the nature of tech finance with a foundation taking the lead?).

     Anyways, I might make a git repository. And place the info there.

     https://prodromou.pub/@evan/109934207153439651

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     Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:53:53 JST Aurynn Shaw

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     • Vincent St. Pierre

     @vsp Netscape, maybe?

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     Vincent St. Pierre (vsp@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:53:54 JST Vincent St. Pierre

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     • Aurynn Shaw

     @aurynn ? there has to be *one*, or at least one, example of a VC-backed product that has made the Internet awesome or better.

     I... just can't think of such a product. I will report back if I come across an example! ? But system-wide yeah, 100%. ?

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     Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:53:55 JST Aurynn Shaw

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     • Vincent St. Pierre

     @vsp I am going to point out that VC funding has not resulted in an awesome internet in the *slightest*

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     Vincent St. Pierre (vsp@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:53:57 JST Vincent St. Pierre

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     • Aurynn Shaw

     @aurynn yeah, I think it would be useful, too.

     Like, we want new toys. We want the developers. And we want new communities. It's... the very awful, very difficult situation that's created by the domination of VCs in being seen as the only way to finance the things that make the internet awesome.

     Anyways, I'm going to sit in my corner and contemplate. Thank you for kindly responding on my minor quibbling.

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     Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:53:58 JST Aurynn Shaw

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     • Vincent St. Pierre

     @vsp That'd be very helpful, actually!

     Some sort of resource that lists local grants and other funding options, for instance.

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     Vincent St. Pierre (vsp@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:53:59 JST Vincent St. Pierre

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     • Aurynn Shaw

     @aurynn I'm going to sit down and write a list of alternatives to VCs and angel investors.

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     Vincent St. Pierre (vsp@mastodon.world)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:54:01 JST Vincent St. Pierre

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     • Aurynn Shaw

     @aurynn

     This... might have some unintended consequences.

     I get the cultural animosity, and the hostile nature of VC-backed products, and the issue of people-as-the-product discourse, and how some (many? all?) venture backed mischief has caused unrestrained grief to so many...

     ... but alternative modes of investment in technology is a pain and limited. ? I hope young coders and developers aren't taking the wrong lessons on the anti-VC nature of Mastodon.

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     Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:54:02 JST Aurynn Shaw

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     "We have VC funding" is like the best reason to not use something, when you're on the fediverse

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     Aurynn Shaw (aurynn@cloudisland.nz)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 11:54:03 JST Aurynn Shaw

     Oh just learned that the Mammoth app on iOS for Mastodon is VC-backed.

     So, yeah, don't use that one.