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    Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 02:40:44 JST Børge Børge

    #Canonical has been imperative to the growth and simplification of Linux "for human beings". There's no doubt the whole community has a lot to thank them for! The first time I tried Linux for real was with #Ubuntu 6.06. I've never learned to code or really use the terminal to any degree, but I've stayed on Linux ever since. And it's just gotten better, much thanks to Canonical.

    But something happened to them.

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    In conversation Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 02:40:44 JST from tutoteket.no permalink
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      Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 02:47:05 JST Børge Børge
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      They became more focused on the tech than the human beings that the tech is supposed to serve. The very thing they used to differentiate themselves got turned on the head, somehow.

      Specifically the tech "invented here" is now more important than what makes Linux better for regular people.

      Personally I was annoyed that they spent resources on Unity instead of making Gnome better, but ok. Many liked Unity. Then there was Mir instead of Wayland, Upstart instead of systemd, and now Snap.

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      In conversation Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 02:47:05 JST permalink
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      Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 02:51:40 JST Børge Børge
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      I'm not saying Canonical no longer cares about human beings. But I can't help but wonder where the Linux ecosystem would be if Canonical worked together with the rest, instead of sinking so many resources into their own things all the time.

      Competition is good. Trying out different things is good. But at some point you need to let the best win.

      And for packaging it seems clear to me that that point is now, and Canonical should join the rest of the community and support Flatpak.

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      In conversation Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 02:51:40 JST permalink
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      Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 02:56:47 JST Børge Børge
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      Instead they double down on Snap, to the point of stopping their supposedly somewhat independent flavors, from using #Flatpak.

      This is starting to become untenable. Especially when you take into consideration that the Snap backend, and quite a few of the other things Canonical is focusing on, is proprietary!

      For the very first time since I started using Linux in 2006 I am no longer using Ubuntu or a derivative. And I can no longer recommend Ubuntu to new users. And this saddens me.

      /TED talk

      In conversation Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 02:56:47 JST permalink
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      Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:10:39 JST Børge Børge
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      • Some kind of Hans

      @hansbrenna I'm trying Nobara, based on Fedora, at the moment. I would not recommend it to most people, it's somewhat a bit of an experiment, and has a few hickups from time to time, and is fully reliant on just one developer. But it mostly works well.

      In conversation Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:10:39 JST permalink
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      Some kind of Hans (hansbrenna@fribygda.no)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:10:40 JST Some kind of Hans Some kind of Hans
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      @forteller
      Which distro are you running now?

      In conversation Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:10:40 JST permalink
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      Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:32:56 JST Børge Børge
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      • Cassidy James :ea: :gg: :fh:
      • Richard Brown

      See also:

      - This thread by @cassidy: https://mastodon.blaede.family/@cassidy/109909023471360388

      - This talk by @sysrich: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/10vv9hi/fosdem_23_i_was_wrong_about_flatpak_appimage_and/

      (Yes, I can't code, but I watch talks about packaging formats, what of it? :D)

      In conversation Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:32:56 JST permalink

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      Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:50:40 JST Børge Børge
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      • Tim Apple

      @timapple Flavors that used Flatpak will no longer do that. Yes, the individual users of those flavors can still use Flatpak, but they have stopped the developers of those flavors from using it when putting together their flavors.

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      Tim Apple (timapple@social.lol)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:50:41 JST Tim Apple Tim Apple
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      @forteller they haven’t stopped anyone from using flatpak. It’s just not going to be enabled by default. Everything will still be in the repos.

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      Børge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:54:32 JST Børge Børge
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      • Diogo Constantino

      @DiogoConstantino That is how a distro uses something. Being available in the repos is making available, not using. In my definition of the word, at least.

      In conversation Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:54:32 JST permalink
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      Diogo Constantino (diogoconstantino@masto.pt)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:54:33 JST Diogo Constantino Diogo Constantino
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      @forteller as far as I understand not of using, only pre-installing.

      In conversation Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 03:54:33 JST permalink

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