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   Mike (no, the other one) (mikey@friendsofdesoto.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 22:09:02 JST Mike (no, the other one)

   • Aral Balkan
   • Masto.host

   @m @aral @mastohost Mastohost probably has a lot more experience than me, but from what I've seen, I've been able to keep it from getting too crazy by at least keeping the push, pull, and ingress separated and giving them each a decent sized group of threads (25 for my instance) to work with. You also need to watch because they also need a DB connection for each thread, so DB POOL should match threads, and they should be under the max pool size for pgsql.

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     Masto.host (mastohost@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 22:09:01 JST Masto.host

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     • Aral Balkan

     @mikey @m @aral Yep, Aral has a lot of followers and also is following a large number of people.

     His plan has a limit of 12 Sidekiq threads. So, no matter the tuning, only 12 concurrent jobs can be active at the same time and with the large numbers of followers/following/activity more threads would be best but that would make the cost of hosting for a single user instance hosting even more expensive.

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     Masto.host (mastohost@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 03:08:02 JST Masto.host

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     • Aral Balkan

     @aral You are on the Constellation plan +1 unit of the Extra Resources add-on.

     @mikey @m

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 03:08:05 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Masto.host

     @mastohost @mikey @m I’m on the Constellation plan, right, Hugo? https://masto.host/pricing/

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     Masto.host (mastohost@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 03:31:19 JST Masto.host

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Filipe

     @filipesm That's what "Low Federation Capacity" means in the Pricing page https://masto.host/pricing/ from the 'about the plans->Federation and Federation Capacity':
     "Generally, the more remote users are followed by someone on your server, the more popular users become, then the more Federation Capacity you will need."

     @mikey @m @aral

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     Filipe (filipesm@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 03:31:20 JST Filipe

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Masto.host

     @mastohost that's kinda of sad, because for someone with a decent following, a community plan is needed ahah

     Maybe the plan page should clarify that if you start having a ton of connections, personal plans will no longer be enough, even if you're the only person on the instance? Idk

     @mikey @m @aral

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     Masto.host (mastohost@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 03:58:45 JST Masto.host

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Jonah Aragon

     @jonah It's 24 Processing Threads. Like it say in the Pricing page https://masto.host/pricing/ under 'about the plans->Processing Threads':
     "Example: If your plan has a limit of 4 Processing Threads. Your server can only perform 2 concurrent federation jobs and 2 concurrent short-lived HTTP requests simultaneously." Meaning on that example, you would get 2 threads for Sidekiq and 2 for Web.

     @aral

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     Jonah Aragon (jonah@mastodon.neat.computer)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 03:58:46 JST Jonah Aragon

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Masto.host

     @mastohost wouldn't that be 24 sidekiq threads or do I not understand your pricing?
     @aral

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     Masto.host (mastohost@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 07:08:55 JST Masto.host

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Filipe

     @filipesm Yes, that's it. I host instances with hundreds of active users that are on the Moon plan (they almost don't federate with remote servers) and I have single users on the top plans (high numbers of followers/following). Wanted to create a pricing page that for someone who has never used Mastodon didn't make it confusing.

     Regarding the pricing model for single user, don't know. I host a lot of single user instances on the Moon plan and they don't have any problem.

     @mikey @m @aral

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     Filipe (filipesm@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 07:08:56 JST Filipe

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Masto.host

     @mastohost Yes you are right I didn't see that sorry.

     I guess the question is that on Mastodon (and fedi in general?) having 1 person that is very famous across servers is heavier that having maybe even hundreds of people that only communicate in-server. And that's hard to communicate and price, right?

     But I guess single-user instances should have a different pricing model because you know a priori they will want to federate a lot?

     @mikey @m @aral

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     Masto.host (mastohost@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 07:10:37 JST Masto.host

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Filipe

     @filipesm You could do some tuning but by default Mastodon is pretty much already focused on federation.

     @mikey @m @aral

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     Filipe (filipesm@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 07:10:40 JST Filipe

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Masto.host

     @mastohost for instance, isn't there a way to focus the system resources on federation? I truly don't know

     @mikey @m @aral

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     Masto.host (mastohost@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 07:18:41 JST Masto.host

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     • Filipe

     @filipesm Thanks :)

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     Filipe (filipesm@mastodon.green)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 07:18:43 JST Filipe

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Masto.host

     @mastohost thanks for the clarifications!! You're awesome Hugo :)

     @mikey @m @aral

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     Masto.host (mastohost@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 11-Feb-2023 07:19:03 JST Masto.host

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     • Filipe

     @filipesm Glad I was able to help