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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 02:12:19 JST Alexandre Oliva

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   • Pierrette
   I don't think I'm a bodily autonomy absolutist, I favor vaccination, I'm not opposed in principle to mandatory vaccination or requiring vaccination as condition to get public services, but I prefer approaches based on education, that enable enough of a population to get vaccinated voluntarily, because they realize it's in their best interest and it even protects indirectly the silly neighbors who don't know better, and those who can't get vaccinated for other reasons.
   it scares me that big pharma corruption may give people enough suspicion as to distrust vaccines to the point of going below safe levels of vaccination. I don't see that big pharma has incentives to be sufficiently transparent WRT its processes, and to pursue safer and more effective vaccines over treatments for symptoms. ISTM that capitalism doesn't serve us well when it comes to public health (or pretty much anything public, really :-(
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     Pierrette (pierrette@mastodon.uno)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 02:12:24 JST Pierrette

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     • voidabyss

     @freemo @voidabyss I humbly remark that in a country with a National Health sistem like Italy being an idiot means that we collectivley have to pay for the cures due to the illness caused by individual idiocy...so with prudence and balance State as a Community of citizens has the right to plan vaccinations when indispensable towards public health

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 02:12:25 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • voidabyss

     @voidabyss

     For the record I am against forced vaccination, and dont mind you debating the philosophical or legal concerns around this.

     But dont confuse my stance with anti-vax. Obviously I think you’re an idiot not to get vaccinated (especially when they have non-mRNA vaccines for you to pick so its not like its even an issue). But I also think that bodily autonomy is sacred and people have a right to be idiots.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 02:12:26 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • voidabyss

     @voidabyss Now this post is definately starting to encroach on unacceptable conspiracy theory territory. Simply having links to articles and papers in an of itself isnt enough (especially when those papers dont make your core point, which is supported by largely opinion pieces.

     Few things:

     1) No one claimed there arent rare adverse effects, there are certainly rare, but authentic cases. But they are exceedingly rare compared to any risks from the diseases, to the point of being insignificant in the bigger picture.

     2) random individuals with opinions, regardless of their credentials, is not remotely acceptable evidence compared to overwhelming scientific consensus

     In the past ive been ok with your post because as I said the last one did address authentic open-questions about COVID. This one does not, it addresses a well established consensus and does so using bad-faith arguments that are quite transparent to anyone operating in a STEM capacity,

     Keep in mind this has crossed the line into conspiracy theoty at this point. Please consider this a warning to back it up. If you wish to post anti-Vaccine, covid or otherwise, content this isnt the place unless you have an informed argument to make, which you dont seem to have in this post.

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     voidabyss@qoto.org's status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 02:12:34 JST voidabyss

     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     I am genuinely interested to understand how can a scientist claim that the new mRNA vaccine technology is 100% safe and doesn’t have any significant long term health effects?

     There is a clear bias in the scientific community, pharmaceutical companies and public health authorities to push one simplistic narrative that the mRNA vaccine is safe and effective. Any dissenting opinion questioning the mRNA vaccine safety or efficacy is labeled idiot, conspiracy theorist and anti-vax.

     This toxic scientific debate climate makes critical data gathering and research challenging. Most career driven scientists, medical doctors or researchers don’t want to go against the main narrative and lose their credentials and livelihood.

     Questioning the safety and efficacy of mRNA vaccines represent a threat to the institutions mandating and advocating for that technology. A threat that might lead to vaccine hesitancy, lost in credibility, lost of financial revenue and legal liability.

     There are few brave scientists with a good track records of scientific research, publications and citations. I can’t name them all, these are a few top ones that I followed their work on this topic:

     • Dr. Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH
       https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/
       https://rumble.com/v218tu4-dr.-mccullough-with-joe-rogan-pandemic-grand-rounds-for-the-public.html

     • Dr. Robert Malone MD, MS
       https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/
       https://rumble.com/v1f45vl-dr-robert-malone-parents-before-you-inject-your-child-with-the-covid-vaccin.html
     • Geert Vanden Bossche PhD, DVM
       https://substack.com/profile/57302394-geert-vanden-bossche
       https://rumble.com/v17vsl5-why-you-never-mass-vaccinate-into-a-pandemic-monkeypox-and-a-better-way-gee.html
     • Dr. Claire Craig
       https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath
       https://rumble.com/v19pf5z-dr.-claire-craig-exposes-fraudulant-phizer-covid-drug-trials.html
     • Dr Aseem Malhotra
       https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra
       https://rumble.com/v22t192-dr.-aseem-malhotra-promoted-mrna-vaccine-now-warns-of-heart-risks-w-dr-kell.html
     • Steve Kirsch
       https://stevekirsch.substack.com/
       https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/exclusive-proof-that-the-top-israeli

     There is a clear signal form various public heath safety reporting data bases and scientific research that show an increase risk of Myocarditis after the mRNA injections:

     • Myocarditis after BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine against Covid-19 in Israel
       https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2109730
     • Cardiogenic shock revealing myocarditis after mRNA vaccination against covid-19: Case report and brief review for the first case in Morocco
       https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8716151/
     • The Pfizer Inoculations Do More Harm Than Good
       https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html

     Myocarditis is one advert event among many that Pfizer own clinical trials has revealed even before vaccine mass deployment.

     • CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021
       https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

     • Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults
       https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/

     I can’t personally ignore or dismiss renown scientific researchers and medical doctors warnings regarding the vaccine safety and efficacy. I am not against vaccines in general, they truly save lives.

     I am strongly against vaccine mandates and vaccine passports, especially since the #mRNA vaccines were never tested or designed to stop the #covid19 transmission.

     • Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us
       https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037.long

     • https://rumble.com/v1nhawe-pfizer-director-admits-vaccine-was-never-tested-on-preventing-transmission..html

     I don’t want to live in a future dystopian technocracy were the state controls all aspects of my life, I am pro choice, liberty and informed consent.

     I hope that everyone that took the mRNA shots are and will be alright.

     @freemo Dr. Freemo if you reading up to this, I hope you consider the scientific research I shared here, and acknowledge the concerns that some people have regarding the mRNA vaccines.

     #COVID #COVID19 #mrna #vaccine #transmission #infection