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    Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Monday, 25-Aug-2025 19:44:51 JST Phantasm Phantasm
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    @sun Mass instance defederations don't solve anything and only make things worse. Broken threads due to defederations are one of the larger frustrations I have. It makes interaction much harder when 90% of remote instances have thread viewing to unauthenticated users disabled. Weirdly, this seems to be only a Pleroma/GTS issue as I've seen very little Mastodon instances disabling that access.

    One edge case is mutual defederations which can work, but you are also making the broken thread problem even larger when someone else on another instance replies to them. Now you have a thread with even less context to interact with, provided that you can fetch OP (now you usually can't anyway). And of course if you want to prevent that, then you whip out the mention MRF policy and dig yourself into an even deeper hole. The snow effect of "Why is my TWKN empty." In my opinion, defederations should only be used to block illegal content, and blocking instances that have zero value in them if they get annoying to deal with. Blocking instances that already defederate you is a double-edged sword and probably should only be done for very large instances.

    Of course the question of why reply when they can't see you anyway is valid, but even a single reply can still start an interesting thread even if OP instance can't see half of the replies. But you are having a discussion/fun in a thread, and now the broken thread problem is their issue and not yours. Overall, I prefer the live and let live way of thinking about fediblockers and their orbiters. They won't stop and they won't change their minds, so why care about them. Why care about/try to solve something you inherently cannot change. They already can't enter this side of the network, because they'll get laughed out in a day. You won't stop people entering their orbit either, so the only logical way to solve that in my mind is also being open to new people like that. Which also creates the problem of assimilating people from Twitter and Bluesky which have a tendency to turn everything into some kind of political statement. I don't have a solution to that problem besides ignoring those people, or trying to explain to them somehow that this isn't welcome here while not making it a concrete rule which will make the "your moderation is biased/stupid crowd" very loud.

    As for how to bring the energy back. The Internet as a whole has lost its originality, everything got turned into the same old boring argument or meme format. So maybe try to bring that back in some way. Have fun and in my case don't interact with politics as much as possible. Be the fediverse you want it to be, and when something is missing try to bring it back in some way. And when enough people will do that, I think the energy will at least in some way come back.


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