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   Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 14-Mar-2024 08:29:51 JST Ash Kvetchum

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   >I'm tl;dr-ing here a non-Calvinist, non-Arminian view of scripture, so please be patient with the effortpost
   
   Friend, I'm neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian.
   
   I'm sure every one of ourguys has had the experience of having put to them "This is leaning [Republican / Communist]. Do you believe in [Republican point / Pelosi]?"--depending on whether questioner is more to the left or right but still within the Overton window.
   With politics, ourguys know both views are not the way and not true; that both options are fed by the same small, concentration; that the vast population sways (allowably) only within the guardrails set.
   
   We don't notice the same of ourselves when ourguys speak on theology. There is an Overton theology, a state-tolerable theology. So I'm going to give a metaphor of three views--each looking at the same building--to emphasize the difference (and failure of two of the views, imo) between Calvinism, Arminianism, and the third--that which I believe scripture describes.
   
   Metaphor:
   You're a boss, an employer.
   There's a building.
   Within the one building are multiple companies.
   What will you do? What was your goal?
   
   >View A (Arminianism):
   You're going to keep all those that believe you are the boss. It doesn't matter which company in the building they're from.
   Some believe all they have to do is believe you're the best boss. Others believe they have to show they believe with their work.
   Some think you'll pull all of the employees who believed you out and then set the building on fire for 7 years to give those inside a chance to change their mind.
   
   >View C (Calvinism):
   You've known from the beginning which employees you'll keep, of all companies. Those employees would follow you no matter what. They have no choice in the matter--or they do but it is inevitable that they would choose you; that they'd know you were the best boss.
   You'll fire the rest. Some think you'll kill them. Some think you'll torture them.
   
   Both A and C want the news of what's happening to get out, and have questions/exceptions on what will happen to him that didn't receive the news. Or they ignore obvious records, errantly saying everyone who has worked here, through all companies, would have heard the news.
   
   >View B (Biblical, imo):
   You are the boss, the owner of the building. You had vanguard employees oversee the construction of the building itself. Some of these vanguard employees did more and started their own companies, counter to your will.
   You start your own company. "No mergers," you tell them. "We're going to accomplish the dominion of the whole building. I will guide you."
   They disobey. And every day more are hired to your company. You wrangle to keep your company separate. You even choose the smallest team within your company and head them by a representative--promising that you'll lead them in person soon. You make a particular contract with that small team.
   The team splits into two. Team 1 and Team 2. Team 2's supervisor was more loyal. When you come in person, you will sit at Team 2's table. Team 1 has been considering merging with other teams within your company, but also--worse--with other companies.
   You give many warnings to them. You won't protect Team 1 as other teams (within your company) come for them. You give startling predictions of what will happen.
   Team 1 is scattered throughout so many of the teams of your company.
   And above all of this, there's the looming threat: that particular contract with the small team requires everyone that leaves the team to be fired. Now even Team 2 is acting de jure with your particular contract but de facto working as if they work for another company. In fact, Team 2's supervisor positions are almost entirely seated by members of another company.
   You arrive in person, during the time you said you were coming--but undercover, asking those of your company that recognize you to spread your message but not your identity. You spread the news: "The boss is going to save the company. He is going to save the team he made. He is going to reconstitute the team he made. And not a bullet of the particular contract will be broken, while he does it--through me."
   The board of Team 2 fires you.
   Guess what? That "particular contract" made long ago remains only while both parties are employed: those being the entire team (no matter how many teams it has fractured into) and you. And you just got fired. So now you won't have to fire everyone under the particular contract. It's fulfilled.
   And though you can be fired (when you come as an employee), you--as the boss--can hire yourself again.
   The word is out. You're coming. The other companies will be booted. Those vanguard employees from long ago will be fired. Every one among your company will be kept employed, no matter whether they believed you were the boss or not. And they will be rewarded by how they treated one another, protected one another. Some will have a small reward.
   Better known your intentions, better they'll treat one another.