@urusan I think one thing libertarians in particular conflate is the ethics of a system with the ethics of results.
Basically, there's more than one way to skin a cat. There are vastly different systems of distributive justice and state influence, which in and of themselves are ethically neutral. It's the results that are ethical or unethical.
I don't care how much capital is owned by the state. I care what the state does with the capital it does own.