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    meliache (meliache@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Saturday, 14-Oct-2023 03:15:35 JST meliache meliache
    in reply to
    • Drew DeVault
    • Ivan E. Gubkin

    @IvanGubkin @drewdevault Sadly opinions on the internet seem very extreme and polarized. There has been a planned and coordinated attack on Israel and its civilians and the security of the state of Israel is under existential threat. I agree that Israel has the right to defend itself. Right now Israel is under shock. Yet, there are rules to law, there's the Geneva convention and there are human rights and they are not under debate no matter how barbaric the actions of you adversary may seem. I think we need voices that call out for moderation and to try to maintain those rules and rights to the largest possible extent. Because the solution to this conflict will not be achieved purely militarily, and it will need to deescalate eventually.

    But there will *NOT* be genocide, I have no reason to believe that this will be the case, there is no reason to believe that. I agree on calling out human right violations but you can't throw this word around lightly. 1/2

    In conversation Saturday, 14-Oct-2023 03:15:35 JST from digitalcourage.social permalink
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    meliache (meliache@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Saturday, 14-Oct-2023 03:15:33 JST meliache meliache
    in reply to
    • Drew DeVault
    • Ivan E. Gubkin

    @IvanGubkin @drewdevault Israel's attacks are precise and deliberate, despite accepting some "collateral" civilian losses, which militarily is difficult to avoid but can be rightfully to criticized. It's designating some safe spaces and giving some time to flee. That's by far not enough but it's *not* the same as a military that is intending genocide. And it would not be the first time for Israel to have ground troops in Gaza, still 2M people live there, so obviously last time had not been a genocide. Some parts of Israel's society wouldn't mind, but it also has a large liberal population (see the recent protests) which would oppose genocidal measures and Israel knows that they rely on their public image in the West. It's important that the West creates pressure for for humanitarian measures to protect civilians. Again, I expect to see human rights violations and don't excuse that, but it doesn't make it a genocide. That word creates a story in people's minds which is simplified and not true. 2/2

    In conversation Saturday, 14-Oct-2023 03:15:33 JST from gnusocial.jp permalink

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