Notices by Tom Pesch (bombadillo@mastodontti.fi)

@filipesm @outi @gerrymcgovern If we tried to feed everyone today with an economy the size of 1800 it wouldn't suffice even if it was perfectly distributed. Population growth generates and requires economic growth. You cannot separate the two.

@filipesm @outi @gerrymcgovern I just don't see how we could switch to a degrowth model in a world where the economy is still growing. We can't even agree on what the problem is, let alone what the solution could be.

@outi @gerrymcgovern I think that if Marx lived today he would be pleased to see that economic growth has lifted millions of people out of hunger, in both sides of the iron curtain. But I'm sure that he would agree that the limits of growth have been exceeded.

@outi @gerrymcgovern I haven't read Das Kapital either, but I'm pretty sure that Marx never proposed any concrete actions. I think that his theory was that when the working class becomes fully aware of it's situation, the new model of economy comes about by itself.

@outi @gerrymcgovern I don't think that we can bring about a degrowth economy now. Once the ecological collapse starts to hinder economic growth globally we will adapt to an economic model that doesn't require growth. But until that it's just an academic idea.
(We really need to get Janne Korhonen to Mastodon btw)

@gerrymcgovern What bothers me in degrowth ideas is lack of practical tools. I still don't know who this talk about degrowth is trying to address. I hope it's not the working class people who are working their asses off and not getting much in return. Is it an apology for the middle classes or a call to arms against the rich?